Yellow Text: The Definitive Discussion

[Lazortag]

Wow I got trolled hard. Seriously, I dismissed Heartbrand's idiotic suggestion because I knew if I explained myself thoroughly in terms that no reasonable person could possibly disagree with, I would just have people reply with one liners calling me a fag or a bluebie. I took the bait, wrote a 500+ word post, only for it to be responded with posts like this:

Originally Posted by Heartbrand

Simple response to your post as said above, the players you mention don't exist on this server. If you're level 45+ there's a 95.999% chance you're in FF/ Holo / Nihilum. Each of which is highly KOS to the other.

Sorry, in no world can you adequately respond to a 500 word post with a 40 word post. What I said still stands, unguilded players will get shit on the most. Even if there were only one unguilded player on the server, my point would be valid.

The rest of this post is just going to be flippant responses to one liners. Most of your opinions are worthless but I'll grace you with my presence in this thread one last time.

Originally Posted by Cast

Only post i read in this thread. Who in their right mind would read lazorfags wall of text. Anyway YT aint going in rogaine dont give 0 fucks

I should have expected that 500 words would be too long for a simpleton like you to understand. Why make logical arguments when you can just call someone a fag? With a staggering intellect like yours I'm surprised that you're stuck doing janitorial work.

Originally Posted by Cast

I personally like when the pop is sub 20 ppl which is 1/3 of the day

Not true and irrelevant. Confirmed dumb.

Originally Posted by mostbitter

holy shit lazortag is smoking crack. YELLOW TEXT MAKES EVERYONE A BAD GUY. lol im still laughin

Yeah I know right, it's such a stupid idea to think that rules can change people's behaviour. It's not like I made an empirical observation about something that actually happened on every other pvp server. Idiot.

Originally Posted by heartbrand

The griefing argument in my opinion is incredibly weak.

1) Have you people seen the pop on this server? It's terrible. Anyone you're "griefing" is in the rival guild, that doesn't seem to be "griefing" to me.

Every other pvp server had a lower population than red99 (except vztz at its peak which had roughly the same population of non-boxers). The observations I made about how YT impacted those servers still holds, so the population argument is silly.

Originally Posted by heartbrand

2) When you're talking about "griefing" are you referring to bind camping? Hate to break it to you folks, this already goes on all the time on this server, yellow text isn't going to change that. If you're dumb enough to die at your bind you're getting bind camped on this server by 99.9999% of the pop, regardless of YT or not. And again, YT actually alerts your friends and guildies that in fact you are being bind camped so they can come to your rescue should you be one of the many people on this server dumb enough to do so. Are you referencing killing people naked? Again, 99.99% of the pop on this server is going to kill you, most likely because it's holo vs. ff or vs. nihilum, all who KOS eachother.

Bind camping unguilded players, or players not in rival guilds, will happen more if there's YT, for reasons I already mentioned. Bind camping players in rival guilds (by people who would normally choose not to bind camp), would also happen more, for reasons I already mentioned. Refer to my post on the first page which thoroughly demolished the case for YT.

Originally Posted by heartbrand

3) I feel like a lot of people are throwing out the word "griefing" to refer to PKing someone. Getting PKed is not being griefed folks. Griefing is things like kill-stealing from newbies out of your range, bringing OOR healers with your twink to Unrest, training people; PKing them on the other hand while they're in range to you is not "griefing."

I have a simple response to this: read my other post. There's more nuance to this other than, "people will grief more". They adopt different rules of engagement because the stakes for each pvp battle are higher (now they get publicly humiliated if they lose). This means that, at a minimum, you will see people attacking other players unprovoked more often to get that sweet high from being publicly recognized for killing someone in a video game. It's not bad that this behaviour exists, but it's bad if this behaviour is encouraged. Do you understand the difference now between what I'm saying, and what you think I'm saying?

Originally Posted by hagard

Eat shit lazorfag

lol! Good one. With the way you guys act it's a wonder the staff doesn't want to listen to your moronic suggestions.

One last thing, re: encouraging pvp. It's a pvp server: you don't need to encourage pvp. Everyone knows what they signed up for. ARGUMENT OVER.

[hagard]

Does anyone even read lazorfags wall of text, ever?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow I got trolled hard. Seriously, I dismissed Heartbrand's idiotic suggestion because I knew if I explained myself thoroughly in terms that no reasonable person could possibly disagree with, I would just have people reply with one liners calling me a fag or a bluebie. I took the bait, wrote a 500+ word post, only for it to be responded with posts like this:



Sorry, in no world can you adequately respond to a 500 word post with a 40 word post. What I said still stands, unguilded players will get shit on the most. Even if there were only one unguilded player on the server, my point would be valid.

The rest of this post is just going to be flippant responses to one liners. Most of your opinions are worthless but I'll grace you with my presence in this thread one last time.



I should have expected that 500 words would be too long for a simpleton like you to understand. Why make logical arguments when you can just call someone a fag? With a staggering intellect like yours I'm surprised that you're stuck doing janitorial work.



Not true and irrelevant. Confirmed dumb.



Yeah I know right, it's such a stupid idea to think that rules can change people's behaviour. It's not like I made an empirical observation about something that actually happened on every other pvp server. Idiot.



Every other pvp server had a lower population than red99 (except vztz at its peak which had roughly the same population of non-boxers). The observations I made about how YT impacted those servers still holds, so the population argument is silly.



Bind camping unguilded players, or players not in rival guilds, will happen more if there's YT, for reasons I already mentioned. Bind camping players in rival guilds (by people who would normally choose not to bind camp), would also happen more, for reasons I already mentioned. Refer to my post on the first page which thoroughly demolished the case for YT.



I have a simple response to this: read my other post. There's more nuance to this other than, "people will grief more". They adopt different rules of engagement because the stakes for each pvp battle are higher (now they get publicly humiliated if they lose). This means that, at a minimum, you will see people attacking other players unprovoked more often to get that sweet high from being publicly recognized for killing someone in a video game. It's not bad that this behaviour exists, but it's bad if this behaviour is encouraged. Do you understand the difference now between what I'm saying, and what you think I'm saying?



lol! Good one. With the way you guys act it's a wonder the staff doesn't want to listen to your moronic suggestions.

One last thing, re: encouraging pvp. It's a pvp server: you don't need to encourage pvp. Everyone knows what they signed up for. ARGUMENT OVER.

Your entire post ignores the entire reality of this server. You created an argument based upon a reality that isn't accurate. Sick of debating with you, it's pointless, we heard your view, the poll since you are in the vast minority, thanks for stating it.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your entire post ignores the entire reality of this server. You created an argument based upon a reality that isn't accurate. Sick of debating with you, it's pointless, we heard your view, the poll since you are in the vast minority, thanks for stating it.

It doesn't matter whether I'm in the minority if I'm right and you're wrong. The staff is more likely to listen to someone who writes a thoughtful post about YT, than the people who call others "fags" whenever they express an opposing view. This thread has already turned into a circle jerk by the supporters of YT, you guys aren't interested in hearing any opinions other than your own.

Originally Posted by prince

if you think yt is (ever) the deciding factor in peoples decision of fight or flight, you are deluding yourself

Dude, as ridiculous as it sounds, it happens. People care less about their coin than they do about their rep. It just creates one more reason for people to run when they're evenly matched (which is already a problem on this server - I'm looking at you FF/holo). Whether you get publicly humiliated when you die is a factor in your decision to run or not. Saying otherwise is just ignoring history (do you honestly think this didn't occur on previous pvp boxes?). History doesn't lie.

[Cast v27.5]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter whether I'm in the minority if I'm right and you're wrong. The staff is more likely to listen to someone who writes a thoughtful post about YT, than the people who call others "fags" whenever they express an opposing view. This thread has already turned into a circle jerk by the supporters of YT, you guys aren't interested in hearing any opinions other than your own.



Dude, as ridiculous as it sounds, it happens. People care less about their coin than they do about their rep. It just creates one more reason for people to run when they're evenly matched (which is already a problem on this server - I'm looking at you FF/holo). Whether you get publicly humiliated when you die is a factor in your decision to run or not. Saying otherwise is just ignoring history (do you honestly think this didn't occur on previous pvp boxes?). History doesn't lie.

Killed this player and have made him plug numerous times, thus when i say his opinion is invalid u listen to my words. Ignore his text walls, hes bad player alert

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Cast v27.5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Killed this player and have made him plug numerous times, thus when i say his opinion is invalid u listen to my words. Ignore his text walls, hes bad player alert

no one cares that you killed someone 4v1