Contest for Reporting 2boxers?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Log off if you're going to AFK a long time.. simple enough... don't give them any reason at all to suspect you of boxing.

[username1337]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Log off if you're going to AFK a long time.. simple enough... don't give them any reason at all to suspect you of boxing.

While I'll admit it's simple enough - it's also annoying enough if you play this game casually and take 5-10min afks every hour or so. Aside from that factor, how are people supposed to know this is expected of them? There is no "IMPORTANT PLEASE READ REGARDING YOUR BEHAVIOR WITH IP EXEMPTION" document - the only way people can find out what not to do is to delve into these forums and purposely search for this information - most people wouldn't even think to do that.

I'll acknowledge that if that is what is required to prevent any suspicion so be it but it needs to be in a stickied thread to inform people what they should/should not do as only the guilty people really think long and hard about how not to get caught. This stickied thread should also be sent in the petition message upon granting the IP Exemption request and users should be told to pay attention to their behavior while playing together.

How hard would that be for devs/GMs to draft up?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by username1337 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no "IMPORTANT PLEASE READ REGARDING YOUR BEHAVIOR WITH IP EXEMPTION" document - the only way people can find out what not to do is to delve into these forums and purposely search for this information - most people wouldn't even think to do that.

Surely to apply for an IP exemption that requires delving into the forums in any case? It's all here, people know not to box. If that wasn't enough I'm sure Amelinda's serverwide announcements are the icing on the cake.

A guide on "How to flout the system by avoiding this kind of behaviour" would be akin to teaching prisoners to be better criminals... I don't think anything needs to be written. How many ways do people need to be told that its not allowed? 100?

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many ways do people need to be told that its not allowed? 100?

You're missing the point.

He isn't saying that people think it's ok to box.

He's saying that there are people who ARE NOT BOXING who are getting banned because their normal playstyle, as friends/spouses who have an IP exemption, ends up looking "suspicious" to other players and GMs. And he's saying that these innocent players have basically no way to avoid these bans because the bans are swift and unilateral and based on only limited and circumstantial evidence that boxing MAY have been taking place and because there is nothing on the forum warning these players that they may very well be subject to one of these swift, unilateral, minimally supported, and somewhat unappealable bans, even though they aren't actually doing anything wrong, just because some people think it LOOKS like they're doing something wrong.

Zomg.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're missing the point.

He isn't saying that people think it's ok to box.

Originally Posted by username1337 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what the real problem is that there is no thread informing people on what constitutes "suspicious" behavior and, without enumerating all cases, state examples of behavior that will be looked into.

He might be genuine but what's implied is, if everyone generally is told what is suspicious behaviour they can then go about trying not to be "suspicious" as per the rules. Make concrete rules and you'll have another EQ camp lawyer mentality when it comes to people disputing the decision "Ah yes I was boxing, but I wasn't displaying any of the suspicious signs...therefore you can't touch me"

People who report boxers based on what they see don't know if the boxers are behind a proxy, but if there's a handful of reports on the same two characters it warrants being looked into. No doubt Amelinda has a few tricks up her sleeve in any case.

[Mojoz_Mon]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He might be genuine but what's implied is, if everyone generally is told what is suspicious behaviour they can then go about trying not to be "suspicious" as per the rules. Make concrete rules and you'll have another EQ camp lawyer mentality when it comes to people disputing the decision "Ah yes I was boxing, but I wasn't displaying any of the suspicious signs...therefore you can't touch me"

People who report boxers based on what they see don't know if the boxers are behind a proxy, but if there's a handful of reports on the same two characters it warrants being looked into. No doubt Amelinda has a few tricks up her sleeve in any case.

^ agreed

[necrosaurio]

How do you determine that someone is boxing?

If I run the game in two computers, with one of them going through a proxy server, how would you determine if I am boxing?

You can speak to me on any of the accounts and I can answer.

You ask me to move in different directions at the same time, I can do it.

I have two different IPs.

If I don't keep a char in "follow" all the time, I don't think it is possible to detect someone boxing, unless you train them and watch the reaction.

Confession time: I boxed in P1999 through a proxy a few times, just to check if it was any more enjoyable to do it here than in Live, with the slower pace. I only did it for a few levels (my highest char was 9 or 10 before I gave my gear away and deleted them all) but I never had any issues.

I understand why people box (it makes life a lot easier, specially if you have really spotty play times) but it really destroys the community, why would let someone join you if your boxed duo or trio can take on anything?

Personally, I don't box anymore (I hardly ever play here anymore, although I am trying to get back into it) because it just doesn't make sense. The game is not enjoyable boxing and missing the social aspect. Yes, even soloing has a social aspect: if someone comes around, I will buff them. That won't happen if you're boxing and paying attention to two boxes.

GMs: Feel free to ban me, as I think that it would only be fair. If you PM me, I will give you my account names.

[Galaa]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Log off if you're going to AFK a long time.. simple enough... don't give them any reason at all to suspect you of boxing.

nothing to do with the topic of boxing, just like to mention that personally I never logoff when Im going to AFK. I always spend all my mana when soloing, and then I just find a safe spot to AFK instead of logging off, so that when I come back from AFKing, my mana will be full.

My AFK timing varies, from 5mins to even 30mins, as I tend to play my console games while AFKing LOL.

So AFKing or not, this isnt the correct way to determind whether a person is boxing.

[Fultun]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothing to do with the topic of boxing, just like to mention that personally I never logoff when Im going to AFK. I always spend all my mana when soloing, and then I just find a safe spot to AFK instead of logging off, so that when I come back from AFKing, my mana will be full.

My AFK timing varies, from 5mins to even 30mins, as I tend to play my console games while AFKing LOL.

So AFKing or not, this isnt the correct way to determind whether a person is boxing.

I do the same thing when soling, I will kite some mobs around use up all my mana, then sit in a corner and put my feet on the desk and watch TV while my mana regens, sometimes 20-30 mins will go by before I look at my PC screen again if something cool is on TV. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stepson hates it, and will end up texting my phone if I don't reply to him after a few minutes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothing to do with the topic of boxing, just like to mention that personally I never logoff when Im going to AFK. I always spend all my mana when soloing, and then I just find a safe spot to AFK instead of logging off, so that when I come back from AFKing, my mana will be full.

My AFK timing varies, from 5mins to even 30mins, as I tend to play my console games while AFKing LOL.

So AFKing or not, this isnt the correct way to determind whether a person is boxing.

It's not the correct way but I'm sure certain behavior seems more suspicious than others.


Like somebody with an IP exemption that only ever power levels alts would be a bit suspicious. (not saying guilty)

or somebody with an IP exemption that only ever camps dragons and is at a camp 24 / 7


or somebody who only ever ports and afk's at EC tunnel.


Somebody with an IP exemption would most likely want to play with their friend / wife / significant other... not hang out in a tunnel all day, or watch a dragon camp all day while the other is out exping.


Do I think people are wrongfully banned? Yes, I do.

Do I think it's possible to get the bans reversed? Yes, I do.


I think what this thread has shown most is that power leveling your IP exemption account with another account on the same IP is suspicious.

Could take steps to avoid that... maybe some way to warn the staff

"Hey, Imma be leveling up my wifes alts.. and she is right here!!!"

I doubt it would be a very common occurrence for most people with IP exemptions.


If that isn't a possibility just remember that playing with an IP exemption places you under heavier scrutiny than most players and just pay somebody else to power level you or level up normally.

Shouldn't be as much of a grind playing with a good friend either way and enjoy the leveling up.