Epic for Ninik!

[Velion]

The suspensions should have had nothing to do with a rotation being agreed upon. If Zeelot hadn't cock-blocked the rotation, the suspensions would have had nothing to do with whether or not VD honored them, despite the difference in the raid scene this week.

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

We have been for a rotation from the very beginning and conceded to let the first 5 go to TMO/IB. Keep trying to spin this any way you want but the ONLY reason Ninik doesn't have her epic yet rests squarely on your guild's leadership.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

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As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

[Velion]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to.

But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server.

You mean doing everything in their power to earn as many cleric epics for their own guild? Why don't you scrubs learn to mobilize faster instead of shedding tears about things being unfair?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


Bolded part: just for you

You're the second stupid fuck that has brought this up. I think it's hilarious you think this is some grand TMO scheme to fuck VD. Wanna know who helped with the rotation order? IB's own cleric Relapsee.

I'm sick of your guilds petty response about how it wasn't fair* only to find out you only wanted to stretch out this week so that you could 1up tmo on cleric epics with IB. This is why IB wouldn't allow ninik to go ahead of VD on a rotation starting now? Your entire guild becomes more and more petty.

You guys are seriously becoming the shittiest thing this server has ever seen. By all means, keep bringing up how this rotation hurts your guild soo much and helps TMO.

Everyone suffers the same consequences to breaking the agreement, everyone benefits from not breaking it.

Look in the past? who broke the first VP agreement? wasn't TMO.
Who made sure to stick out the 2nd agreement (even when it was turning to shit and it would have benefited us to end it early TR style)???

give you another hint, it wasn't TMO

It was your raiding partner, the guild you've been raiding with since october, the guild that has now been suspended twice. One of which is one of the worst offenses seen on the server so far. Yet VD completely escaped any punishment by wearing a different tag. By now you'd both be considered common law whores.

No wonder bubbles/miley stopped playing with you fucking idiots. BTW, I am not trolling, the majority of you truly are completely worthless retards.

(i apologize to the select few VD i do talk to in-game, you know who you are. In no way do i direct this toward you individually)

[Velion]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.

And where is the proof of this?

[Velion]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


Bolded part: just for you

You're the second stupid fuck that has brought this up. I think it's hilarious you think this is some grand TMO scheme to fuck VD. Wanna know who helped with the rotation order? IB's own cleric Relapsee.

I'm sick of your guilds petty response about how it wasn't fair* only to find out you only wanted to stretch out this week so that you could 1up tmo on cleric epics with IB. This is why IB wouldn't allow ninik to go ahead of VD on a rotation starting now? Your entire guild becomes more and more petty.

You guys are seriously becoming the shittiest thing this server has ever seen. By all means, keep bringing up how this rotation hurts your guild soo much and helps TMO.

Everyone suffers the same consequences to breaking the agreement, everyone benefits from not breaking it.

Look in the past? who broke the first VP agreement? wasn't TMO.
Who made sure to stick out the 2nd agreement (even when it was turning to shit and it would have benefited us to end it early TR style)???

give you another hint, it wasn't TMO

It was your raiding partner, the guild you've been raiding with since october, the guild that has now been suspended twice. One of which is one of the worst offenses seen on the server so far. Yet VD completely escaped any punishment by wearing a different tag. By now you'd both be considered common law whores.

No wonder bubbles/miley stopped playing with you fucking idiots. BTW, I am not trolling, the majority of you truly are completely worthless retards.

(i apologize to the select few VD i do talk to in-game, you know who you are. In no way do i direct this toward you individually)

Do you seriously have zero reading comprehension? I have no problem with the suggested order of the rotation and how you got that from my posts is beyond me. I am all for the rotation how it was posted and I would be fine with it being implemented in it's current form.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I am sure everyone in VD is fine with a rotation.

We weren't fine with the original iteration, which was the "TMO/TMO/then the rotation actually starts" rotation:

(From Coldblooded's post)
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:27 2012] You told Zeelot, 'i was just talking to xeli, i dont know if your paths crossed before she logged'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:36 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'yeah he just started talking to me'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:41 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'About the epics right?'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:43 2012] You told Zeelot, 'yes'
[Fri Feb 17 17:14:29 2012] You told Zeelot, 'the way it had been left with elethia, someone from each guild would get together and /random to set the rotation order'
[Fri Feb 17 17:16:05 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'I told him I'd be down to put VD into a rotation, but I would like to get 2 more for tmo if possible before that starts. IB arranged an uneven agreement and I'd like to get it evened out before putting you guys in'

Not speaking for Coldblooded, but I can't see how we wouldn't be fine with this rotation:

(From Stealin)

Tech, VD could be considered to have already gone in the rotation, put Div - ninik next, and go from there.

It's not hard.

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 for all guilds involved.

And based on this thread, Ninik doesn't want to interrupt VD's current camp in session, so she is okay with waiting. In my opinion, start the rotation after Emmdano's Ragefire and put VD at the end of the rotation.

So I don't see what the problem here is, aside from hashing out the "how long to engage" and "how a guild gets added to the rotation" parts. I don't think many were comfortable with this idea:

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I propose changing the forfeiture to the first instance of 10pm eastern time after Ragefire spawns or 1 hour, whichever is longer.

as that reduces the frequency of Ragefire spawns for everyone else. But this is where guild reputation comes into play, since you can ask for help. Only 3 Divinity on at 4am when he spawns? Send out some calls for help to your friends in TMO, IB, VD, BDA, Taken, whoever. Promise to let everyone random on the other loot that drops. Whatever it takes.

Stop trolling, Stealin... you're making yourself look stupid, as usual. You are the biggest troll on the forum, of course your credibility is ZERO. We want to see Zeelot agree to what you just rolled out before we can tell if "TMO accepted" or not. Yes, you can work out the rotation between the clerics of the involved guilds, but the disputes are going to go to the guildleaders. The enforcement of the rotation is going to go to the guildleaders. The guildleaders need to sign off on it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

Regardless of tmo's possible subversive agenda, the agreement was completed or almost complete prior to tmo/ib raid suspension. What steps did divinity take to renew the agreement before it expired and spiraled into chaos? Cold tried to get the rotation extended before it expired to include vd, but we were refused by zeelot. Did divinity see similar stonewalling for niniks epic? If your leadership did not try to renew the agreement, then do not blame vd for your lack of effort. If your leadership did try to renew the agreement, then what were your results.trying to negotiate with other guild leadership(I doubt vd leadership blocked you from the negotiating table)?

The leadership of all guilds wishing to be involved in a ragefire rotation had the power to prevent this chaos, yet here we are. It is unfair to place blame only on VD when we have shown through our actions we want a rotation and our competition has refused to cooperate.