Epic for Ninik!

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I give you the charitable philosophy of tmo:



Congratulations ninik! Sucks to be you, any other "cleric not in a top tier raiding guild". So where does griefing fir into this charity ruling amelinda?

my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

your guild told ninik to basically "fuck off" which is the main reason i even jumped into the cleric bullshit hole.

After the epic release, there was supposed to be a rotation being put in place, low and behold both guilds get suspended the day before.

When left with the server on their own, VD seeks to exploit their power over the other guilds by refusing to even consider a rotation start. Claiming it is unfair for VD to not have as many cleric epics as TMO or IB.

Yet how it is fair for Taken?
How is it fair for BDA?
How is it far for Divinity?
How is it far for TMO? (afterall IB has more than us)

This isn't about being fair anymore, your guild seeks to get even with greed. amirite? Fuck every other guild, this week is special because TMO/IB can't mess with you and the other guilds aren't in a position to threaten you.

Again, the "fairness" of VD is beginning to be well known.

[Velion]

The suspensions should have had nothing to do with a rotation being agreed upon. If Zeelot hadn't cock-blocked the rotation, the suspensions would have had nothing to do with whether or not VD honored them, despite the difference in the raid scene this week.

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

We have been for a rotation from the very beginning and conceded to let the first 5 go to TMO/IB. Keep trying to spin this any way you want but the ONLY reason Ninik doesn't have her epic yet rests squarely on your guild's leadership.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

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As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

[Velion]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to.

But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server.

You mean doing everything in their power to earn as many cleric epics for their own guild? Why don't you scrubs learn to mobilize faster instead of shedding tears about things being unfair?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


Bolded part: just for you

You're the second stupid fuck that has brought this up. I think it's hilarious you think this is some grand TMO scheme to fuck VD. Wanna know who helped with the rotation order? IB's own cleric Relapsee.

I'm sick of your guilds petty response about how it wasn't fair* only to find out you only wanted to stretch out this week so that you could 1up tmo on cleric epics with IB. This is why IB wouldn't allow ninik to go ahead of VD on a rotation starting now? Your entire guild becomes more and more petty.

You guys are seriously becoming the shittiest thing this server has ever seen. By all means, keep bringing up how this rotation hurts your guild soo much and helps TMO.

Everyone suffers the same consequences to breaking the agreement, everyone benefits from not breaking it.

Look in the past? who broke the first VP agreement? wasn't TMO.
Who made sure to stick out the 2nd agreement (even when it was turning to shit and it would have benefited us to end it early TR style)???

give you another hint, it wasn't TMO

It was your raiding partner, the guild you've been raiding with since october, the guild that has now been suspended twice. One of which is one of the worst offenses seen on the server so far. Yet VD completely escaped any punishment by wearing a different tag. By now you'd both be considered common law whores.

No wonder bubbles/miley stopped playing with you fucking idiots. BTW, I am not trolling, the majority of you truly are completely worthless retards.

(i apologize to the select few VD i do talk to in-game, you know who you are. In no way do i direct this toward you individually)

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

Regardless of tmo's possible subversive agenda, the agreement was completed or almost complete prior to tmo/ib raid suspension. What steps did divinity take to renew the agreement before it expired and spiraled into chaos? Cold tried to get the rotation extended before it expired to include vd, but we were refused by zeelot. Did divinity see similar stonewalling for niniks epic? If your leadership did not try to renew the agreement, then do not blame vd for your lack of effort. If your leadership did try to renew the agreement, then what were your results.trying to negotiate with other guild leadership(I doubt vd leadership blocked you from the negotiating table)?

The leadership of all guilds wishing to be involved in a ragefire rotation had the power to prevent this chaos, yet here we are. It is unfair to place blame only on VD when we have shown through our actions we want a rotation and our competition has refused to cooperate.

[Velion]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When left with the server on their own, VD seeks to exploit their power over the other guilds by refusing to even consider a rotation start.

That is such a load of shit it's not even funny. You expect us to form a rotation without TMO that will last all of 4 days? We're looking at MAYBE 2 spawns during the suspension with 4 guilds looking to get some action. What fucking good is a 4 day rotation going to do when we know TMO will come back and shit all over it as soon as their suspension is up?