Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Glitterati]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for putting this out there.

I hate to be the first guild leader to come along and say "Yes, but..."

However...

Yes, 30 sounds great and all as long as the spawn times are between 2am and 5pm on a workday. It seems like all that has to happen for the rotation to be abused is for effort or random chance to shift the Ragefire spawn times such that BDA, Taken, and Div don't have enough people online to claim their spot in the rotation, with only 30 minutes, I see guilds that have a 24 hour presence claiming a ton of Ragefires while potentially managing the respawn timers to lock other member of the rotation out.

I propose changing the forfeiture to the first instance of 10pm eastern time after Ragefire spawns or 1 hour, whichever is longer.

If people can agree on that, consider Divinity signed up.

Only cause I just woke up =)

Dumesh has a good point, 30 minutes is too short. I also like whoever said new guilds entering into the rotation just be put onto the end of whatever the original rotation order is. Once this gets rolling and we're two, three months into this and it's going smoothly, it won't matter who was first, it'll move in an infinite loop with manaless rezzes and peace for everyone.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Glitterati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only cause I just woke up =)

Dumesh has a good point, 30 minutes is too short. I also like whoever said new guilds entering into the rotation just be put onto the end of whatever the original rotation order is. Once this gets rolling and we're two, three months into this and it's going smoothly, it won't matter who was first, it'll move in an infinite loop with manaless rezzes and peace for everyone.

Still waiting for a guild to abuse this by changing names all the time and just appending themselves to the end of the list. My idea adresses this. It also does not allow any new guild to interfere with the current iteration, only the next, being fair to the guilds still waiting patiently in line for their turn in that iteration.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting for a guild to abuse this by changing names all the time and just appending themselves to the end of the list. My idea adresses this. It also does not allow any new guild to interfere with the current iteration, only the next, being fair to the guilds still waiting patiently in line for their turn in that iteration.

you can't abuse it, there is a majority vote for a reason.

[Splorf22]

+1 for the original Stealin proposal. It's the exact guild order I would have proposed as well, and probably for the same reasons.

Stealin has a reasonable way of adding guilds, but I don't think it's really necessary - if the leaders can't agree on a procedure there, just agree on 3-4 rotations (6-8 weeks I think) under the current system. By then everyone will have enough that it won't be such a huge issue.

Dumesh, this agreement is a huge win for Divinity/BDA/Taken getting the same number of slots as VD/IB/TMO. If you leave Ragefire up for 24 hours, everyone gets less. Aata has the right idea - just get some help for those AM spawns.

[Autotune]

your guild leader

i'm saying yours as well as mine, however, in the end it is up to the clerics willing to sock the lair and compete clicking air.


If clerics don't agree to sock the lair for air, the odds of completing a cleric epic goes to????


Again, you are looking at this as a guild vs guild matter

I am looking at this for clerics.



And to the majority vote part, it was supposed to be in, i've been up for nearly 30hrs straight now. It was the reason i wanted relapsee to post this instead of me, as well as the fact he is a cleric.

[Velion]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

That's all up to you guys, rules were changed and i can no longer change anything or do anything.

Basically, either rotate or don't. Now if my guild chooses to not stick to it there is nothing i can do. Congrats.

I am not a cleric nor am I an officer/guild leader.

It's of little importance to me now. Just remember that it's clerics who have to do the quest, not the guild. Refusing to accept a rotation based on another guild's lack of response is silly.

Either you want a rotation or you don't.

[Gmal]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

So not to derail this or anything. Velion I am not sure who you are in game, but I consider myself pretty damn good dude both in and out of the game. Im guilded with stealin and I can tell you that even though he maybe a troll on the board, the guys heart is completely in the right place on pretty much all matters. So even though this may not mean a damn thing to you. I can tell you that there isnt to much not to trust with Stealin. And I would be the first one to tell you as would TMO leadership if he didnt have the right intentions with his efforts here.
Take it for whatever is worth to you.