Epic for Ninik!

[Amelinda]

I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

Fair and just ruler

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

Is that an official position that Ragefire is considered a raid mob vs. a triggered epic encounter (e.g., Astral Projection/Ixiblat)?

[Diggle]

can we get ninik her vp key and give her all the loot? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

I give you the charitable philosophy of tmo:

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't care what tag you wear, mine or otherwise, until ninik gets her epic, i'm going to personally make it as impossible as hell for anyone to do the turnin.

You've all been warned.

Congratulations ninik! Sucks to be you, any other "cleric not in a top tier raiding guild". So where does griefing fir into this charity ruling amelinda?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I give you the charitable philosophy of tmo:



Congratulations ninik! Sucks to be you, any other "cleric not in a top tier raiding guild". So where does griefing fir into this charity ruling amelinda?

my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

your guild told ninik to basically "fuck off" which is the main reason i even jumped into the cleric bullshit hole.

After the epic release, there was supposed to be a rotation being put in place, low and behold both guilds get suspended the day before.

When left with the server on their own, VD seeks to exploit their power over the other guilds by refusing to even consider a rotation start. Claiming it is unfair for VD to not have as many cleric epics as TMO or IB.

Yet how it is fair for Taken?
How is it fair for BDA?
How is it far for Divinity?
How is it far for TMO? (afterall IB has more than us)

This isn't about being fair anymore, your guild seeks to get even with greed. amirite? Fuck every other guild, this week is special because TMO/IB can't mess with you and the other guilds aren't in a position to threaten you.

Again, the "fairness" of VD is beginning to be well known.

[Velion]

The suspensions should have had nothing to do with a rotation being agreed upon. If Zeelot hadn't cock-blocked the rotation, the suspensions would have had nothing to do with whether or not VD honored them, despite the difference in the raid scene this week.

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

We have been for a rotation from the very beginning and conceded to let the first 5 go to TMO/IB. Keep trying to spin this any way you want but the ONLY reason Ninik doesn't have her epic yet rests squarely on your guild's leadership.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

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As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.