Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

maverixdamighty · #1 02-21-2012, 12:10 PM

This is getting off topic anyways. This thread was about trying to get a rotation going so each capable guild could get atleast one cleric epic, but has become a list of what guild has screwed over what guild etc.

Metallikus · #2 02-21-2012, 12:19 PM

It is all of a sudden the PR thing to do for Stealin since his entire guild can't touch dragons, he's on some holy crusade to do good for the lower tier guilds (or maybe jsut for Ninik)...that all changes of course when he can get back to stealin dragons.

Where was his holy crusade when IB and TMO were rotating Ragefires? Why didn't he step in and get Ninik inserted in there somewhere? Why won't his guild agree to some sort of rotation?

VD is all for a rotation, always has been. Get your shit straight and make an agreement that stands for more than a week that you guys are suspended, we will honor it immediately even during the week we have the most uncontested mobilization for targets.

Hell, why not rotate CT while we are at it?

Autotune · #3 02-21-2012, 12:23 PM

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It is all of a sudden the PR thing to do for Stealin since his entire guild can't touch dragons, he's on some holy crusade to do good for the lower tier guilds (or maybe jsut for Ninik)...that all changes of course when he can get back to stealin dragons.

Where was his holy crusade when IB and TMO were rotating Ragefires? Why didn't he step in and get Ninik inserted in there somewhere? Why won't his guild agree to some sort of rotation?

VD is all for a rotation, always has been. Get your shit straight and make an agreement that stands for more than a week that you guys are suspended, we will honor it immediately even during the week we have the most uncontested mobilization for targets.

Hell, why not rotate CT while we are at it?

Ninik agreed that those clerics spent a great deal of time sitting there. She backed off it willingly.

Now that the damn thing is fixed you retards tell Ninik to fuck off?

Yeah you got the right, the same right i have to do what i'm doing. The set plan was for a rotation to appear when ragefire was fixed, instead VD doesn't want to allow it while they have the upper hand. That's all.

Sadly, you didn't view all the cards on the table first.

YendorLootmonkey · #4 02-21-2012, 12:37 PM

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Ninik agreed that those clerics spent a great deal of time sitting there. She backed off it willingly.

The set plan was for a rotation to appear when ragefire was fixed, instead VD doesn't want to allow it while they have the upper hand. That's all.

Come up with a rotation that's something other than "TMO/TMO/TMO/then actual rotation starts" and the rest of us will take it seriously.

The rest of this thread should be no one posting except a designated cleric rep from each Ragefire-capable guild, sorting out a rotation. Anything other than that is just noise/posturing.

Autotune · #5 02-21-2012, 12:39 PM

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Come up with a rotation that's something other than "TMO/TMO/TMO/then actual rotation starts" and the rest of us will take it seriously.

The rest of this thread should be no one posting except a designated cleric rep from each Ragefire-capable guild, sorting out a rotation. Anything other than that is just noise/posturing.

go back, look at my posts...

And i don't care what you take seriously, no one is going to get an epic unless it's Ninik.

Bruman · #6 02-21-2012, 12:25 PM

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Which are those? Other guilds have had first attempt on Trak, Naggy, Maestro, and Talendor that I'm aware of. I can't speak for Gore, Draco, or Inny since I wasn't there.

Maestro and Draco. Neither were "against rules", but they weren't playing nicely either. Taken was leap-frogged at Maestro.

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I believe BDA had a shot @ Draco before VD engaged. I saw many naked BDA on WC spires. When I got to fear VD had taken down Draco. Inny spawned 15 minutes before the server was going down and no other guild had a shot at him

BDA did not have a shot at Draco. IB was in the zone "training how to train", when Draco popped on them. IB notifies VD that Draco spawned, then starts camping/gating because of their raid suspension. BDA and Taken were the only guilds tracking in the zone. BDA zones in, only to find IB with their small train (like 6-10 mobs, BDA had cleared the zone earlier) along with Draco right at the fear portal. BDA wiped due to the train, and while IB rezzed us due to their unintentional wipe, VD killed Draco.

I do believe that it was all unintentional, but given the close relationship between IB and VD, you can imagine others don't believe so. It was horrible form regardless.

Metallikus · #7 02-21-2012, 12:45 PM

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Maestro and Draco. Neither were "against rules", but they weren't playing nicely either. Taken was leap-frogged at Maestro.

BDA did not have a shot at Draco. IB was in the zone "training how to train", when Draco popped on them. IB notifies VD that Draco spawned, then starts camping/gating because of their raid suspension. BDA and Taken were the only guilds tracking in the zone. BDA zones in, only to find IB with their small train (like 6-10 mobs, BDA had cleared the zone earlier) along with Draco right at the fear portal. BDA wiped due to the train, and while IB rezzed us due to their unintentional wipe, VD killed Draco.

I do believe that it was all unintentional, but given the close relationship between IB and VD, you can imagine others don't believe so. It was horrible form regardless.

I actuall feel bad for Taken. They watched Maestro pop, had 15 in zone, and did nothing for 15 minutes. We popped in a tracker saw it up, made the call to go up in case they wiped only to see them sitting AFk out of agro range. BDA also ran up at the same time as VD. VD engaged, end of story.

Draco, I have no idea why IB was kiting around mobs and accidentally got draco near fear portal. "Training excercise" obviously. BDA decided to zone in and fight draco, and kept pouring in. VD waited outside fear, did a normal WW break, and pulled Draco there after.

VD has acted honorably as we always do. We aren't training, being sneaky with FTE tactics, and have given the other guilds sufficient time to engage and wipe on most if not all targets (we deliberately reset our agro on Gore pull to allow BDA a chance to pull when it looked like there might be a FTE disagreement; Talendor was left up 1 and half hours before we engaged after Div/taken wipe; Naggy was up 45 min before we engaged after another Div/Taken wipe; ect).

arsenalpow · #8 02-21-2012, 12:57 PM

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Draco, I have no idea why IB was kiting around mobs and accidentally got draco near fear portal. "Training excercise" obviously. BDA decided to zone in and fight draco, and kept pouring in. VD waited outside fear, did a normal WW break, and pulled Draco there after.

VD has acted honorably as we always do. We aren't training, being sneaky with FTE tactics, and have given the other guilds sufficient time to engage and wipe on most if not all targets (we deliberately reset our agro on Gore pull to allow BDA a chance to pull when it looked like there might be a FTE disagreement; Talendor was left up 1 and half hours before we engaged after Div/taken wipe; Naggy was up 45 min before we engaged after another Div/Taken wipe; ect).

There was only 4 mobs up, IB claiming some sort of kite training is laughable at best and a violation of their raid ban at worst. A "WW break" is also kind of ridiculous since the zone was cleared.

I'm not insinuating that BDA had a right to Draco, it's a race, but to have VD benefit from an IB train is frustrating beyond words when we were first on the scene.

arsenalpow · #9 02-21-2012, 12:50 PM

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Maestro and Draco. Neither were "against rules", but they weren't playing nicely either. Taken was leap-frogged at Maestro.

BDA did not have a shot at Draco. IB was in the zone "training how to train", when Draco popped on them. IB notifies VD that Draco spawned, then starts camping/gating because of their raid suspension. BDA and Taken were the only guilds tracking in the zone. BDA zones in, only to find IB with their small train (like 6-10 mobs, BDA had cleared the zone earlier) along with Draco right at the fear portal. BDA wiped due to the train, and while IB rezzed us due to their unintentional wipe, VD killed Draco.

I do believe that it was all unintentional, but given the close relationship between IB and VD, you can imagine others don't believe so. It was horrible form regardless.

We cleared fear aside from 4 glare lords, and maybe a fetid or Samhain near boogey house.

We had 35+ ready for Draco within 3 minutes of him popping and our raid force zoned into IB training Draco to the fear portal. Intentional or unintentional, the GMs can sort that out. The fact remains that VD benefitted from IB's Draco train and we couldn't get an attempt in. It's frustrating to say the least.

YendorLootmonkey · #10 02-21-2012, 12:58 PM

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We cleared fear aside from 4 glare lords, and maybe a fetid or Samhain near boogey house.

We had 35+ ready for Draco within 3 minutes of him popping and our raid force zoned into IB training Draco to the fear portal.

Who was the FD spotter in Fear for your guild who called for your raid force to zone into a train? Blame THAT guy, IMO.