Raid Petitions / GM CS

Joroz · #1 02-18-2012, 01:57 PM

actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

p99 strives to be like live back in the day but has holes, when these holes are used they are exploits regardless of whether all the raiding guilds use the tactic or not.

Maze513 · #2 02-18-2012, 02:14 PM

If there really were server rules Perun would be banned... facts are facts

Autotune · #3 02-18-2012, 02:37 PM

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actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

p99 strives to be like live back in the day but has holes, when these holes are used they are exploits regardless of whether all the raiding guilds use the tactic or not.

if it's a bug, report it. I never played live EQ much.

Lazortag · #4 02-18-2012, 03:03 PM

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actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

None of the things you mentioned are exploits. The eye takes on the faction of the user and you could always use dots after coh to continue getting aggro, just because it wipes aggro doesn't mean you can't reaggro it. The dot pulsing again is no different from you going up to the mob and hitting it again. If you think this isn't how it worked in classic, find evidence for it.

Joroz · #5 02-18-2012, 03:31 PM

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None of the things you mentioned are exploits. The eye takes on the faction of the user and you could always use dots after coh to continue getting aggro, just because it wipes aggro doesn't mean you can't reaggro it. The dot pulsing again is no different from you going up to the mob and hitting it again. If you think this isn't how it worked in classic, find evidence for it.

Go ahead and argue pulling a god/boss through his zone with no adds to the zone in using any of these methods is as intended.

Reptak · #6 02-18-2012, 03:47 PM

Lots of the mechanics in EQ are used "not as intended." Look at FD pulling for example.

Edit: Not saying I completely disagree with you. But using the mechanics of the server to your advantage has always been a part of EQ and lots of times there are unintended methods available. This does not automatically scream exploit and in many ways is classic. Now if you have evidence of something not working the way it did on live, then petition it. I would like a classic experience even if it means losing some technique that is currently used. I think in many cases, we just have a lot more information than we did at the time on live. I for one don't remember farming invis rings, midnight mallets, root nets and getting stalking probes back then. Maybe we just didn't know better?

Joroz · #7 02-18-2012, 04:19 PM

p99 uses the patch time lines to make changes... what this doesn't account for is the time gm/guides had to enforce issues the developers didn't have fixes for. not being live code p99 is going to develop its own problems that will need to be addressed. general rule is if the trick you are doing turns the pull or encounter into something trivial or eliminates the risk its probably not as intended.

Lazortag · #8 02-18-2012, 04:24 PM

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Go ahead and argue pulling a god/boss through his zone with no adds to the zone in using any of these methods is as intended.

Evidence?

Joroz · #9 02-18-2012, 04:31 PM

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Evidence?

play any live server. what needs to be proved is when it was ever changed from the state it is on p99 or its just a p99 bug.

Alkorin · #10 02-18-2012, 04:33 PM

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play any live server. what needs to be proved is when it was ever changed from the state it is on p99 or its just a p99 bug.

Are you trying to say that nothing was ever pulled through a zone on Live by people who FD'd off adds and had people tag?

Sorry, what?