Raid Petitions / GM CS

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, what happened to the Draco rule? That if you are kiting around a bunch of mobs with draco in the mix, that doesn't count as an engage - the team that pulls draco out of the train and into a camp with theforce to kill it was the team with FTE. Shouldn't that apply to the Inny pull where you are kiting Inny + 30 mobs to the zone in but someone else pulled Inny out of your train?

seems that results in a 1 week suspension.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

seems that results in a 1 week suspension.

Referring to last draco I presume..

The way I understand it: IB/VD had a large force in fear, kited a train of mobs, tagged draco to bring to camp. meanwhile 1 TMO guy in zone, overagros draco and proceeds to run him north to cause a wipe on IB/VD by agroing temple mobs in order to buy time for TMO's raid force to get to fear.

Raid interference, he is lucky only 1 week suspended.

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Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Referring to last draco I presume..

The way I understand it: IB/VD had a large force in fear, kited a train of mobs, tagged draco to bring to camp. meanwhile 1 TMO guy in zone, overagros draco and proceeds to run him north to cause a wipe on IB/VD by agroing temple mobs in order to buy time for TMO's raid force to get to fear.

Raid interference, he is lucky only 1 week suspended.

I think it is pretty clear if VD loses a mob to another guild, they are going to complain about something.

Eye fte = omg exploit
Pulling to camp when camp is empty = omg exploit
tagging a mob being kited = omg exploit
FDing with a pet for fte = omg exploit

BTW, most (if not all) of this has been done by both tmo and ib. Welcome to raiding, random VD member #430382.

[Joroz]

actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

p99 strives to be like live back in the day but has holes, when these holes are used they are exploits regardless of whether all the raiding guilds use the tactic or not.

[Maze513]

If there really were server rules Perun would be banned... facts are facts

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Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

p99 strives to be like live back in the day but has holes, when these holes are used they are exploits regardless of whether all the raiding guilds use the tactic or not.

if it's a bug, report it. I never played live EQ much.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually the eye thing is an exploit. being feign should not be making the "eye" non kos even though the caster is feign. Dot pulling is also an exploit, your suppose to be cleared from the hate list when coth and your continued dot damage should not be going as damage from you, sort of like when the client doesn't know who damaged you; you get hit by pain and suffering. A single mob chasing a person invisible around the zone without out picking up buddies on the same faction is also a bug that is exploited a lot to accomplish "questionable" pulls.

None of the things you mentioned are exploits. The eye takes on the faction of the user and you could always use dots after coh to continue getting aggro, just because it wipes aggro doesn't mean you can't reaggro it. The dot pulsing again is no different from you going up to the mob and hitting it again. If you think this isn't how it worked in classic, find evidence for it.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of the things you mentioned are exploits. The eye takes on the faction of the user and you could always use dots after coh to continue getting aggro, just because it wipes aggro doesn't mean you can't reaggro it. The dot pulsing again is no different from you going up to the mob and hitting it again. If you think this isn't how it worked in classic, find evidence for it.

Go ahead and argue pulling a god/boss through his zone with no adds to the zone in using any of these methods is as intended.

[Reptak]

Lots of the mechanics in EQ are used "not as intended." Look at FD pulling for example.

Edit: Not saying I completely disagree with you. But using the mechanics of the server to your advantage has always been a part of EQ and lots of times there are unintended methods available. This does not automatically scream exploit and in many ways is classic. Now if you have evidence of something not working the way it did on live, then petition it. I would like a classic experience even if it means losing some technique that is currently used. I think in many cases, we just have a lot more information than we did at the time on live. I for one don't remember farming invis rings, midnight mallets, root nets and getting stalking probes back then. Maybe we just didn't know better?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go ahead and argue pulling a god/boss through his zone with no adds to the zone in using any of these methods is as intended.

Evidence?