Whats with the World of Warcraft Crowd?

[fischsemmel]

First off, you listed cleric, enchanter, shaman, and rogue as 4 of the 6 classes that people will accept into groups, assuming that it was (just) their lack of an xp penalty that was the reason, when actually it is mostly because each of those classes is the absolute best class for what they do. You can't match, let alone beat, a cleric healer or an enchanter CCer or a shaman buffer/debuffer or a rogue DPSer.


Getting past that, I am probably one of the most picky people when it comes to groups on this server. I tend to prefer maximizing my xp per hour over just about anything else. But even I don't categorically refuse to group with hybrids.

Now of course I will look for a rogue, a mage, or a necro for DPS before I'd consider a monk (unless we need a puller/FD splitter) or ranger.

And yeah I'd prefer a warrior tank, although given the threat SK and pals can fire off from level 9 when warriors don't have the sweet procs until much, much later, I don't mind hybrid tanks at all.

And as far as bards? They're bards. So what they eat 40% more xp than someone else might? They can do enough nice stuff to make up for that penalty, especially when you're lacking a haster or slower or CCer, or if you're in a caster-heavy group.


It's almost all about the player and not the class, really. I'd rather fill a dps slot with a good bard than a bad rogue. I'd rather have a good iksar shadowknight tank than a bad halfling warrior tank. Etc.

Find some friends who are good players and, no matter what all of your races and classes are, you'll do well.

[drrigs]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And as far as bards? They're bards. So what they eat 40% more xp than someone else might?

Why would letting a ranger, paladin, sk, or bard join your group make everyone earn less exp? I was under the impression that the exp penalty was applied to the individual character.

[formallydickman]

Originally Posted by drrigs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would letting a ranger, paladin, sk, or bard join your group make everyone earn less exp? I was under the impression that the exp penalty was applied to the individual character.

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.ph...perience_Works

[Galaa]

Originally Posted by drrigs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would letting a ranger, paladin, sk, or bard join your group make everyone earn less exp? I was under the impression that the exp penalty was applied to the individual character.

troll SK has a 68% XP penalty.

If a healer forms a group of 3 with a troll SK and a Iksar monk (44% XP penalty), it will be pretty much slow XP gain...

[drrigs]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

troll SK has a 68% XP penalty.

If a healer forms a group of 3 with a troll SK and a Iksar monk (44% XP penalty), it will be pretty much slow XP gain...

Slow XP gain depends on the group, not the classes in the group. I've been in groups where we had a monk, a bard, and an SK and the XP flew because we worked as a team and basically chain-pulled. I've also been in a group where I was the only hybrid and the XP was horrible because the group wasn't jiving with each other.

[Galaa]

Originally Posted by drrigs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slow XP gain depends on the group, not the classes in the group. I've been in groups where we had a monk, a bard, and an SK and the XP flew because we worked as a team and basically chain-pulled. I've also been in a group where I was the only hybrid and the XP was horrible because the group wasn't jiving with each other.

lets say you're a healer in a Troll SK and Iksar monk trio group, and another group has a healer with a halfing race warrior and rogue. Assuming all players are experienced players and knows how to play their role, the warrior/rogue group will level much faster than the troll SK/Iksar monk group...

the troll SK group has a 68% + 44% penalty, and the warrior/rogue group has a 13.55% + 14.5% bonus XP. Big difference in XP gain

[drrigs]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets say you're a healer in a Troll SK and Iksar monk trio group, and another group has a healer with a halfing race warrior and rogue. Assuming all players are experienced players and knows how to play their role, the warrior/rogue group will level much faster than the troll SK/Iksar monk group...

the troll SK group has a 68% + 44% penalty, and the warrior/rogue group has a 13.55% + 14.5% bonus XP. Big difference in XP gain

Only if the cleric/warrior/rogue group actually handles their pulls consistently. More goes in to the XP rate of a group than the class make-up of the group. Yes, the cleric/SK/Monk group has to kill more things to gain the same XP. But if they can kill faster, avoid long fights because of better pulling, and pull more often because of less down time due to the previous two points, they can kill more things per hour.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming all players are experienced players and knows how to play their role, the warrior/rogue group will level much faster than the troll SK/Iksar monk group...

This assumes all else is equal, drrigs, so his point still stands.

[Ikonoclastia]

When I played live I leveled from about 5 to 80 with around 5 in game friends (war, rogue, sk, cleric, bard). I was enchanter so u proly think it doesnt count but the sk in our group was always welcome cus he was a great guy.

Basically what Im saying is you only have to have a few good friends, be reliable, helpful, and good company n youll usually have ready made groups all the way to end game regardless of class.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I played live I leveled from about 5 to 80 with around 5 in game friends (war, rogue, sk, cleric, bard). I was enchanter so u proly think it doesnt count but the sk in our group was always welcome cus he was a great guy.

Basically what Im saying is you only have to have a few good friends, be reliable, helpful, and good company n youll usually have ready made groups all the way to end game regardless of class.

Heh.

Your SK friend (and the bard, too) didn't have an xp penalty from some point in velious onwards. And for you to have played to 80, that was at least a significant amount of your total time spent on live, up to potentially all of it depending on when you started playing.