Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Senaiel]

I respect Divinity/Taken/BDA as much as anyone on this server and I am certainly a huge fan of Ninik. That being said, if you can't see why these 5 clerics are being awarded first, you are blind. IB/TMO/VD has had clerics endlessly clicking away in shifts over anywhere from 1 hour to 24+ hours at a time. No one else has put in that type of effort and as far as I am concerned effort reaps reward.

As far as Skope goes, I am not trying to be a total asshole here but last time IB/TMO had to go to VP and let everyone else have EVERY other mob on the server. VD got Trak/VS/Gore/Talendor/CT/Naggyx2/Vox/Sev/Dracho. While BDA/Taken/Divinity got a Dracho/Inny/Fay combined. You can remove variance all you want but even when there wasn't a variance look at the results. You ask for a level playing field but when you got one on a FULL REPOP and an actual Dracho/Naggy spawn before the repop look at the results. If you do not think that the IB/TMO/VDs results are indicative of what would happen with ragefire that is laughable. The guilds that are prepared and built to raid will still win in the long run because even with static spawns eventually mobs will become somewhat staggered due to some guilds taking longer htan others to kill certain mobs.

Lastly, I am more than willing to help any cleric in any guild when the rotation provides their turn.

[SavageHenry]

Originally Posted by Senaiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as Skope goes, I am not trying to be a total asshole here but last time IB/TMO had to go to VP and let everyone else have EVERY other mob on the server. VD got Trak/VS/Gore/Talendor/CT/Naggyx2/Vox/Sev/Dracho. While BDA/Taken/Divinity got a Dracho/Inny/Fay combined. You can remove variance all you want but even when there wasn't a variance look at the results. You ask for a level playing field but when you got one on a FULL REPOP and an actual Dracho/Naggy spawn before the repop look at the results.

You're not being an asshole, but the fact is that Fay was the only mob we could get at a reasonable time (before 1AM EST) and none of those targets except for maybe Trak/Gore would be impossible for Taken/Div/BDA to take out. The current "full repops" are staggered, so it doesn't help at all when most of the targets start spawning between 3-6 AM when no one but a hardcore guild will get any of them before they're all dead. And the bosses would never be staggered to that extent if full repops were happening during normal raid hours. But that's off-topic anyway.

So far, I know of a dozen clerics in Taken/Div that need Ragefire and haven't been participating in the sockfest going on now. I can't speak for other guilds' clerics but that's a dozen clerics IB/VD/TMO didn't have to compete with. I support the rotation going on right now, but to expect the casual clerics to stay out of it after the next patch is unreasonable IMO.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by SavageHenry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not being an asshole, but the fact is that Fay was the only mob we could get at a reasonable time (before 1AM EST) and none of those targets except for maybe Trak/Gore would be impossible for Taken/Div/BDA to take out. The current "full repops" are staggered, so it doesn't help at all when most of the targets start spawning between 3-6 AM when no one but a hardcore guild will get any of them before they're all dead. And the bosses would never be staggered to that extent if full repops were happening during normal raid hours. But that's off-topic anyway.

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This is all true. When the server finally repopped it was about a day after VP was released, and at some ridiculous time like 3 in the morning (EST). I was there and I remember being told we were going after Sev with Taken. We had a good attempt on him where we got him to 6% with 25 people, but given how early in the morning it was, and how awful the lag was (it was taking people 10 minutes just to loot their corpses), most people just said "fuck it" and went to bed. At that point the vast majority of raid mobs were still up, so it's not like we weren't quick enough, it's just that other factors like lag and sleep prevailed over our desire to get pixels. Senaiel, if you're trying to prove that casual guilds are actually unskilled and poorly coordinated, that's not a very good example to use, considering we've done very well on past server repops (not that this is a pissing contest, but on post-kunark repops we've gotten (separately) VS, naggy/vox, inny/fay/noble, naggy/inny/draco, just from what I remember).

edit: and I also agree that staggered repops are dumb, and completely defeat the purpose of server repops, in addition to not being classic.

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all true. When the server finally repopped it was about a day after VP was released, and at some ridiculous time like 3 in the morning (EST). I was there and I remember being told we were going after Sev with Taken. We had a good attempt on him where we got him to 6% with 25 people, but given how early in the morning it was, and how awful the lag was (it was taking people 10 minutes just to loot their corpses), most people just said "fuck it" and went to bed. At that point the vast majority of raid mobs were still up, so it's not like we weren't quick enough, it's just that other factors like lag and sleep prevailed over our desire to get pixels. Senaiel, if you're trying to prove that casual guilds are actually unskilled and poorly coordinated, that's not a very good example to use, considering we've done very well on past server repops (not that this is a pissing contest, but on post-kunark repops we've gotten (separately) VS, naggy/vox, inny/fay/noble, naggy/inny/draco, just from what I remember).

edit: and I also agree that staggered repops are dumb, and completely defeat the purpose of server repops, in addition to not being classic.

You do realize that Ragefire is probably not going to spawn during the 4 hours of primetime, yes? If your guild wants to get in on a rotation, your guild must actually be capable AND willing to kill a mob at 5AM if it should happen to spawn at that time. If your guild said "fuck it" because the mobs spawned in a time that inconvenienced them, what will they say if Ragefire spawns during an inconvenient time? I am sure that Bregan and Taken could kill Cazic Thule if one of them were left alone for a couple of hours to clear all of Fear first, but it's very different when another guild is breathing down your neck and you have to rush an engage with 98% of the zone still up. Maybe that's inconvenient, but that's EQ raiding.
I mean no disrespect to casual guilds, but if a guild expects to enjoy the privilege of an uncontested spawn at any hour then it seems reasonable to ask that they be able to mobilize a raid force at any hour to claim that spawn.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I mean no disrespect to casual guilds, but if a guild expects to enjoy the privilege of an uncontested spawn at any hour then it seems reasonable to ask that they be able to mobilize a raid force at any hour to claim that spawn.

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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at any hour

Not in classic.

Regardless, if a Ragefire spawned at 5AM while it was Divinity's/Taken's/BDA's turn in the rotation, and they didn't have enough to engage in a reasonable time frame, then it would just go to whoever was next in line, no? (Or it could just become FTE; my point is that there are mechanisms to deal with those kinds of situations).

As for the situation me and the poster above mentioned, I think it was more the ridiculous lag than the fact that it was so early in the morning that made us call it quits. Or it was a combination of the two. My point is that your post was kind of tangential.

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not in classic.

Hate to burst your bubble bro, but this shit isn't classic anymore. Deal with it or shut it. Variance, hoops, mallets, OT hammers, soulbound Vp key, Vp releasing 8 months after launch, charming dragons, guises/manastones/mistwalkers during kunark.

[Dravingar]

Also, gonna post this for shits and giggles and bolding the parts that are valid.

Hello Clerics of Luclin. We have a system in place that has allowed our server to remain civil about Ragefire where others have failed. It is not perfect but it has worked very well. It is a list for individuals, not guilds, that we Clerics continue to make work. Note, that in this list description, the Ragefire spawn that is regulated is the one that rare-spawns in the SKYFIRE zone. The Ragefire in Solb does not follow any hard official rules at this time.

To get on the list you MUST have your Pearl ready to hand in. Once you have received your pearl, you must show a screenshot of it as well. The screenshot must be a normal full screenshot (any of the F10 screens are fine). The screenshot must have the stats of the pearl (displayed by righting clicking the pearl), and the cleric's name on it. (name often found in the upper-right corner of the screen, unless you changed your screen options around a bit)
The screenshot may either be posted to this list if you know how, or if not, then emailed to cayleueq@yahoo.com. Altering the format of the screenshot to jpg or something like that is fine if you wish, to reduce the size of those huge bmp screenshots, but that's it.

*note* it is highly recommended to send your screenshot as a jpg instead of the way the game makes it. See here for a quick tutorial by me on how to do this.

To get on the list AND to remain on the list, you also MUST be at least 50th level. You can then email me at cayleueq@yahoo.com with the screenshot and I will add you to the list when your level is verified. If you would like to send me a tell, or post here, in addition to the emailed screenshot that is fine also, but you need to email me to be certain. In addition, your guild affiliation will be listed with your name, in order to make it easier for others to contact you. In no way will one cleric be weighed or judged better than another on this list by their guild. (Or lack of one, though a guild of friends could certainly make camping Ragefire an easier task) If your guild is incorrectly listed, please let me know by posting, or emailing cayleueq@yahoo.com Finally, if you seriously announce that you are quitting Everquest, and then you do quit playing, you will be removed from the list, and will have to rejoin at the bottom if you change your mind and return to the game.

There will be NO swapping or giving away places on the list. The only exception will be if someone with a Pearl needs to pass on their turn at Rage. They may let the person directly behind them go. (See Comments below the list on Camping Rage) If you do not have your Pearl and your time for Rage comes you will be removed from the list.

Rage should be killed as quickly as possible after he pops. This list is saving you a huge amount of time by giving you as fair a shot at Rage as you will find. The server is not going to wait 8 hours or an entire evening for Rage to die. Do what it takes to get him killed quickly so the next Cleric can get started on theirs. A few hours for you to get home from school or work is fine as long as the person doing the camp for you knows exactly when you will be on. If you know that you will be a little late should Rage pop at a specific time, it is up to you to make sure the clerics on the list will know about it. If the server is due to come down very soon during your camp, you had better be darned sure that you'll be able to take Rage down before a possible spawn is wasted.

------Current list as of 8/19/02-----

Rauntek (Nocturnal Sun)
Lusena (Praxiums)
Rennix (Glorious Rising)
Kakmer (Praxiums)
Niggon (War Council of Dune)
Banddage (Heroes)
Sarrina
Jillie (Nemesys)
Auntiem (5R)
Ailex (Nemesys)
Kalodan (Glorious Rising)
Lexxus (Glorious Rising)
Goldenmad (Blood Alliance)
Catlynn (Veeshan's Talons)
Pranav (IB)
Falilx (Praxiums)
Hotti (Heroes)
Landail (Titans)
Annastacy
Elistann
Adassya (VoS)
Rebosado (VoS)
Redmace (Titans)
Medious (IB)
Luxor (IB)
Clermont (VL)
Bristorn (VoS)
Jullianna (Glorious Rising)
Moonrea (Titans)
Ainna
Nendain (CoS)
Jantus (Titans)
Shaline (Blood Alliance)
Kaerik (Triad)
Iyah (Epic Courage)
Tresoom (Veeshan's Talons)
Rehtaeh (Valor's Companions)
Balar (Praxiums)
Shinfaen (Glorious Rising)
Silverrane (Endorean)
Qttie (VoS)
Kaplan
Chatte (Heroes)
Atrina (Heroes)
Youhou (CJ)
Fumata (VoS)
Karj (Tribal Rage)
Nematoad (Glorious Rising)
Falamar (IB)
Sindela (Glorious Rising)
Vallyn (IB)
Shannaria (IB)
Qwiny (Triad)
Ivanoe (Triad)
Ambrerle (CJ)
Baldder (Tribal Rage)
Tabbykat (CJ)
Xestis
Teffun (Nocturnal Sun)
Restandre
Soulprovider (Fearless Crusaders)

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If that list was in effect still, I would have gotten my sprinkler last month. :(

[Lazortag]

Yeah, make no mistake, I think it's great that the three big guilds agreed to work something out. Anything that makes their members suffer less is an improvement for the server, and I doubt anyone wishes more suffering on the people who've wasted dozens of hours of their life in the same zone just for the chance at a ragefire. But what happens next? Do you really want the casual guilds to step in, one by one, and poopsock the spawn so that the rotation agreement has to keep being rewritten? Why not skip that part since we all recognize, especially IB/TMO, how much of a waste of time it is to "compete" over this spawn?

I keep asking this question but all I get are red herrings about how (a) small guilds are not skilled enough to kill Naggy (which is both untrue and irrelevant) and (b) small guilds will just leave Ragefire up for 15 hours straight and waste everyone's time (which no one is defending). Really?