Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Bruman]

The only rub with killing Nagafen is the "spend time to level up alts to 52 and cap them" to kill him. That was an idea that worked well on live servers, because the "top end" guilds often moved on, and smaller guilds and pugs then went for Naggy (I realize not all servers were this way, but it did happen).

Here though, with much more stale content, he's still contested for some reason. The level cap on Naggy doesn't fit this server. Lots of things about live don't fit this server.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by ShinraTensei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Things that stop real life people from becoming millionaires, pro athletes, scholars, astronauts:

jobs
family
social lives

*see what I did thurr?*

People become those things as part of their job. That's why they get paid for it. What I see is that you made a broken argument, proving the point. A game is the not the same as real life, even though some of you seem to think it is.

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to buy a cleric and form my own guild and demand he get his ragefire as soon as anyone, now that the going is easy. That's what we're doing, right?!

If your guild can kill Ragefire, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get in line.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild can kill Ragefire, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get in line.

Based on the precedent set in the Trakanon rotation, it is not a requirement that said guild in the rotation be able to drop the target by themselves. As has been shown by IB and VD, you are allowed to seek help from other guilds, even those that have their own slot in the rotation!!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Aside from the opportunists using this as an opportunity to do some soap-boxing, I'm not certain what everyone's agenda is here.

I have to ask, why are some of you so offended by the OP?

The way I see it, a private agreement was created. Said agreement might have some impact on others not subject to it. As a courtesy, the community was put on notice.

Worst case scenario, Elethia wasted some real estate on the general forum's front page. Is that really so offensive?

[ShinraTensei]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People become those things as part of their job. That's why they get paid for it. What I see is that you made a broken argument, proving the point. A game is the not the same as real life, even though some of you seem to think it is.



If your guild can kill Ragefire, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get in line.

But who are you to make a judgement on how people spend their time in life? That is MY point. There is no broken argument or an argument at all. Anyone can claim "I can't do X because I have to do Y". The fact of the matter is, people are entitled to how they spend their life/time... Game or not.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by ShinraTensei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But who are you to make a judgement on how people spend their time in life? That is MY point. There is no broken argument or an argument at all. Anyone can claim "I can't do X because I have to do Y". The fact of the matter is, people are entitled to how they spend their life/time... Game or not.

Then don't get pissy when I make fun of you.

[ShinraTensei]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then don't get pissy when I make fun of you.

You made fun of me? Where?

[ShinraTensei]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only rub with killing Nagafen is the "spend time to level up alts to 52 and cap them" to kill him. That was an idea that worked well on live servers, because the "top end" guilds often moved on, and smaller guilds and pugs then went for Naggy (I realize not all servers were this way, but it did happen).

Here though, with much more stale content, he's still contested for some reason. The level cap on Naggy doesn't fit this server. Lots of things about live don't fit this server.

But this is a key point here. Currently, Nagafen is heavily contested by IB/VD/TMO. Which means, he dies the moment he spawns. The other guilds that want to get in on the list want IB/VD/TMO to concede their spots(after camping for countless hours) at ragefire, AND clear nagafen for them OR give nagafen up for an unknown amount of time for other guilds to kill.

If that isn't asking for communist charity, I don't know what is. Just think about it objectively. What incentive does IB/VD/TMO have to give all of the above up? Really looking for a good answer here.

[maverixdamighty]

if you don't think naggy would die if ib/tmo/vd didn't kill him then you are just naive.

[Autotune]

This rotation should not have been posted until it had run it's initial ib/tmo course and actually included everyone. People are too stupid to realize past their own interests.

First, there is nothing stopping anyone from breaking this, I agree. However, It most likely won't be IB or TMO fucking with each other. Thus, if a random from some guild comes to mess with another guild, you're going to see that guild get shit on by IB/TMO for making their collective lives harder (we do it to each other, don't think we won't do it to you).

Second, While I do agree Ninik deserves her epic more than most of the clerics on this server, I can understand the 'time invested' part. This pre-rotation of rotations will run it's course then all the other guilds can run in and start their own bullshit if they want (i'm sure it will happen).

So yeah, Taken, BDA, Divinity or any other guild could come in and start clicking IB or TMO's air, but what you're opening is going to be way worse than what you imagine. As you will effectively guarantee that your guild not get an epic as easy as you would have.

Aka, you idiots just don't know.