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Old 01-16-2012, 03:57 AM
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Legs/Junk first, weighted slightly in advantage of leg drops over staff drops.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7%
Blood Ember Greaves 7%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7%
Deepwater Greaves 7%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7%
Singing Steel Greaves 7%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 7%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5%
Lycanthropic Staff 5%

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Magelo pegs Gnarled Staff drop as 33% of the time, guessing this format would satisfy that and make it similar to scale drops from dragons.

Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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Ranger/Druid item operating under assumption that it should be a 40% drop from magelo and that 0, 1, or 2 can be seen on the corpse regardless of other loots similar to scale drops from dragons. I don't recall ever seeing more than 2 drop at a time on live.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

Lootdropid: 1003, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

So if the stars align it would be possible to see 2 of legs/junk staff, 1 gnarled staff, and 2 pulsing green stones on the same Venril Sathir while at a minimum you would see 2 loots including legs or junk staff but zero epic quest items.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:49 AM
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Legs/Junk first, weighted slightly in advantage of leg drops over staff drops.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7%
Blood Ember Greaves 7%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7%
Deepwater Greaves 7%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7%
Singing Steel Greaves 7%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 7%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5%
Lycanthropic Staff 5%

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Magelo pegs Gnarled Staff drop as 33% of the time, guessing this format would satisfy that and make it similar to scale drops from dragons.

Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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Ranger/Druid item operating under assumption that it should be a 40% drop from magelo and that 0, 1, or 2 can be seen on the corpse regardless of other loots similar to scale drops from dragons. I don't recall ever seeing more than 2 drop at a time on live.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

Lootdropid: 1003, Multiplier: 1, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

So if the stars align it would be possible to see 2 of legs/junk staff, 1 gnarled staff, and 2 pulsing green stones on the same Venril Sathir while at a minimum you would see 2 loots including legs or junk staff but zero epic quest items.
Well I worked all this out at work as well and couldn't post it until now, but its almost the exact same as Trystych's. I used the Harmonium posts I had as data before hand as a base and using the numbers from there (not the largest sample data but the best we have) calculated the relative probability of what the drops may be based off it.

Basically what it looked like was in each slot, there was a 67% (rounded) chance to have greaves and a 33% chance to have staves. This was just assuming that there were only two loot slots (aside from the Gnarled Staff and Epic Pieces). The easiest was I found was the same; just have one iteration with the same probability with a 2 multiplier and 100% chance to drop.

My numbers come out slightly more in favor for Greaves, but the reflect the data collected anyways. The one thing that I changed was that I did not weight the Shissar Gauntlets the same as the greaves--I just imagined that they were more rare, but if somebody wants to correct me on that! I just took 1% off of the total chance for greaves and staves respectively and put it towards the gauntlets for a total of 2%.

Lootdropid: 1000, multiplier: 2, chance 100%
Cobalt Greaves 7.3%
Blood Ember Greaves 7.3%
Jaundiced Bone Greaves 7.3%
Tolans Darkwood Greaves 7.3%
Deepwater Greaves 7.3%
Mrylokar's Greaves 7.3%
Singing Steel Greaves 7.3%
Donal's Leggings of Mourning 7.3%
Elder Spiritist's Greaves 7.3%
Waters Of Impenetrable Aura 5.3%
Diamond Encrusted Staff 5.3%
Nightshade Scented Staff 5.3%
Shissar Nullifier Staff 5.3%
Shissar Guardian Staff 5.3%
Lycanthropic Staff 5.3%
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet 2.0%

Thanks for looking up the drop rate that was listed for the staff, I would put this also as the second one.

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Lootdropid: 1001, Multiplier: 1, Chance 33%
Gnarled Staff 100%

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I also thought there were up to 3 for epic pieces, so I just combined the two above and gave it a 3 multiplier, same % to drop.

Lootdropid: 1002, Multiplier: 3, Chance 40%
Pulsing Green Stone 100%

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So basically with this setup it ends up being almost the same as Trystch's in terms of what the possibilities are for a loot table (minimum of two loots maximum, maximum of 6 since I included 3 epic stones), but I just weighted the item drop rates to align with the data that I posted since I thought it would be relevant to use it.

Either way we change the loot to ensure more greaves like everybody remembers, and it goes off what info we have. I think the epic pieces and staff are good on separate loot tables because in the quotes I provided they do list two epic stones in addition to two regular loots, and also there is one with 3 staves dropping (thats the way I interpreted it).

I was bored enough to calculate the chance of getting 2 greaves, one staff and one greaves, and also two staffs from that setup and it actually turned out pretty similar to the data above if you calculate it the same way: 44% for two greaves, 43% chance for one of each, and 11% for two staves.

Thanks to others for putting in input for this as well, let me know what you think or if something could use changes.
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