Rules for spawned epic mobs

[Rasah]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't hurt these people to get a suspension, they just play another char for a week.

That's why I said BAN. The rule should be not to do it. Breaking said rule should hurt. And if the same guild breaks the rule more than once because they have extra toons to do it, there should be a week long raiding suspension for that guild.

I also think that if the guilds would stop keeping score in R&F of who killed what raid mobs that week, the server wouldn't be so disgraceful.

[Rais]

A Ban won't work. Some people have friend's accounts given to them they will do these things on. Get a new IP and play again. It's easy to do so.

Hold the guild leadership accountable for the actions of the guild. Suspend the Officers and Raid ban them for 2 weeks. Happens again, make the ban on officers 100% and guild banned for a month. That will get people to pull their heads out of their asses.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Ban won't work. Some people have friend's accounts given to them they will do these things on. Get a new IP and play again. It's easy to do so.

Hold the guild leadership accountable for the actions of the guild. Suspend the Officers and Raid ban them for 2 weeks. Happens again, make the ban on officers 100% and guild banned for a month. That will get people to pull their heads out of their asses.

Why isn't this already happening? There are guilds playing by the server rules and there are guilds getting away with murder. Teach the jerks a lesson.

TMO raid interfered blatantly by memblurring Talendor at 2% and wiping IB /VD. There is outright proof of that occurance and nothing has happened even tho the petition process was followed to the tee. Any argument to refute FTE couldn't matter less since its not TMOs job to teach lessons or police any wrong doing claims.

TMO kill stole Inny when it was posted everywhere that IB / VD had first to engage. The loot was taken by TMO and the petition has long since been ignored.

Those are the wildly obvious ignored petitions that should have been resolved much less responded to sooner than months later.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why isn't this already happening? There are guilds playing by the server rules and there are guilds getting away with murder. Teach the jerks a lesson.

TMO raid interfered blatantly by memblurring Talendor at 2% and wiping IB /VD. There is outright proof of that occurance and nothing has happened even tho the petition process was followed to the tee. Any argument to refute FTE couldn't matter less since its not TMOs job to teach lessons or police any wrong doing claims.

TMO kill stole Inny when it was posted everywhere that IB / VD had first to engage. The loot was taken by TMO and the petition has long since been ignored.

Those are the wildly obvious ignored petitions that should have been resolved much less responded to sooner than months later.

Amelinda watched IB/VD KS phinny after she already stated that the mob was a camp and TMO proved that we were camping it long before IB/VD were in zone.

IB/VD ignored amelinda, engaged phinny while she watched and then looted phinny.

If we are going back to the "omg every wrong that's been done" I want all the IB/VD on phinny's hate list that night to be suspended as well.

There are some others I have from VD and from IB, just let me know if this is getting looked into and we'll just go from there, k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amelinda watched IB/VD KS phinny after she already stated that the mob was a camp and TMO proved that we were camping it long before IB/VD were in zone.

IB/VD ignored amelinda, engaged phinny while she watched and then looted phinny.

If we are going back to the "omg every wrong that's been done" I want all the IB/VD on phinny's hate list that night to be suspended as well.

There are some others I have from VD and from IB, just let me know if this is getting looked into and we'll just go from there, k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She immediately took the loot and dealt it to TMO. This was listed as a raid mob and first to engage was the rules in prescedence. No suspension needed here since amelinda changed the rules on the fly.

I'm talking about un resolved issues in which loot is not where it belongs. I'm talking about everytime we enter a zone with TMO, we are getting trained with no repercussions.

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amelinda watched IB/VD KS phinny after she already stated that the mob was a camp and TMO proved that we were camping it long before IB/VD were in zone.

IB/VD ignored amelinda, engaged phinny while she watched and then looted phinny.

If we are going back to the "omg every wrong that's been done" I want all the IB/VD on phinny's hate list that night to be suspended as well.

There are some others I have from VD and from IB, just let me know if this is getting looked into and we'll just go from there, k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phinny is a group mob. Your guild petitioned and got it changed. No one stole it from you.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amelinda watched IB/VD KS phinny after she already stated that the mob was a camp and TMO proved that we were camping it long before IB/VD were in zone.

IB/VD ignored amelinda, engaged phinny while she watched and then looted phinny.

If we are going back to the "omg every wrong that's been done" I want all the IB/VD on phinny's hate list that night to be suspended as well.

There are some others I have from VD and from IB, just let me know if this is getting looked into and we'll just go from there, k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really funny that the proof you were camping phinny was by having a druid and bard at the spawn hours before pop. That is not even close to the force necessary to claim that as a camped mob. Were you actively clearing anything around phinny? I'm sure the seahorses stood there all day untouched. What constitutes that as a campable mob when it was clearly written in as a raid mob on the Raid Play Nice Policy post. It was changed to a campable mob because TMO facebooked a GM out of bed when IB/VD showed up with an actual force capable of killing phinny as compared to a TMO druid/bard combo claiming it camped.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phinny is a group mob. Your guild petitioned and got it changed. No one stole it from you.

yeah, a group mob that TMO was camping. It wasn't changed that night, Phinny has been a group mob since long before epics.

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really funny that the proof you were camping phinny was by having a druid and bard at the spawn hours before pop. That is not even close to the force necessary to claim that as a camped mob. Were you actively clearing anything around phinny? I'm sure the seahorses stood there all day untouched. What constitutes that as a campable mob when it was clearly written in as a raid mob on the Raid Play Nice Policy post. It was changed to a campable mob because TMO facebooked a GM out of bed when IB/VD showed up with an actual force capable of killing phinny as compared to a TMO druid/bard combo claiming it camped.

it's been camped long before epics, you'd know this if you weren't an idiot. Groups of mages/necros/petclasses have been claiming phinny as a camp since before kunark. TMO had logs, i have Screenshots, showing TMO as the only people in the lair, where our pets are, where IB/VD showed up later, where they parked their pets (yes, identified with /pet who in the ss) and so on. So yea, I have the evidence.

There was no need to facebook a GM, the fact she showed up and reiterated it to a group of retards is beside the fact. IB/VD trying to stake 15man claim to a group mob however, is hilarious. Want to try again?

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was no need to facebook a GM, the fact she showed up and reiterated it to a group of retards is beside the fact. IB/VD trying to stake 15man claim to a group mob however, is hilarious. Want to try again?

Here is my point: You didn't have to submit a petition with all your evidence and have it ignored for months before you got your rightful epic peice had it dropped did you?
Well for the Inny kill that TMO KS'd and looted an earth staff that should of rightfully gone to one of our members - our guildy is patiently waiting around for a decision that doesn't seem to be coming from the petition that should have been resolved. I mean someone even posted Amelinda's proof of FTE. Should they have? - no, but apparently it got leaked.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Then have the rules changed to make it a group mob.

Right now, the rules say it's a raid mob, as it's included in the server raid rules. So that's what people who would like to follow the rules will go by, and then become frustrated when someone says "Oh, but this is different." And then a member of staff rules in their favor. And the rules never get changed, so no one knows what the hell to do.

And even better, next time a group of people use that precedent to claim a mob as an exception, they have a non-zero percent chance of being ruled against based the way the rules are laid out. Which is what they were going by the first time when the exception was made.

What is the point of having the server raid rules out for everyone to read if everyone is just picking and choosing which parts of them they want to follow?

Change the raid rules to drop Phinny off the list, IMO. Or use them consistently and without exception when making a judgement call.