Game Mechanics: Summon interval (Howling Stones / all world)

[nilbog]

Do some research. If you find evidence to support your claim, it will be investigated.

I did one google search.. which yielded results not favorable to your argument.

https://www.google.com/#q=%2B%22summ...w=1184&bih=549

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do some research. If you find evidence to support your claim, it will be investigated.

I did one google search.. which yielded results not favorable to your argument.

https://www.google.com/#q=%2B%22summon+every+6+seconds%22&hl=en&prmd=imvnsfd&filter=0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r _pw.,cf.osb&fp=4b3c420078196b39&biw=1184&bih=549

That's what I call selective search approach [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you search for "summon every 6 seconds", I am not surprised at the results you get. You can do the same for "summon every 10 seconds" and get results about EQ. Also, in your search results, there is a comment from 2007 on zam, saying "Most mobs these days summon every 6 seconds" which is a good indication that the poster knows previously the summon interval was different.

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=8667

Check the comment from Dec. 16 2007 No. 2 here:
http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=4571

The guy says:

2. If you have an HP buff so you have 4k - 5k HP you wanna get and keep aggro. get summoned, run away, lifetap, and poison nuke when time and HP allow.

Run away & lifetap can not possibly work with a necro: The shortest necro lifetap was 3 seconds cast time in 2007. With 6 second summon interval, you'd have 2 seconds to run away - in which you couldn't even get out of melee range of this guy...

I found a couple more posts on zam indicating that the summon refresh timer was high enough for backing off and casting something/shooting arrows, before being summoned again - but no one talks about an explicit summon interval / refresh timer.

I am gonna dig up my oldest logs and see what I have.

Cheers
Slozem

[DoucLangur]

This here is the shortest time between 2 summons I have found in my log of the Combine (progression) server:

Sebilis:

[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] froglok ilis knight says 'You will not evade me Pollution!'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] Froglok ilis knight staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] Gaseker staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:07 2006] Froglok ilis knight has taken 81 damage from your Bond of Death.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:08 2006] Avicenna tells the group, 'i guess the other camp means i can pull the named from here easier'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:09 2006] Froglok ilis knight staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:09 2006] Gaseker staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:11 2006] Avicenna tells the group, 'Incoming Complete Healing to >>> Pollution <<<'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:11 2006] Avicenna begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:12 2006] Keldonis tells the group, 'yeah lets help him get a robe'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:13 2006] Froglok ilis knight has taken 84 damage from your Bond of Death.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:15 2006] You begin casting Screaming Terror.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:16 2006] You tell your party, 'a sebilite golem mezzed'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:16 2006] froglok ilis knight says 'You will not evade me Pollution!'

The Ruins of Old Paineel:

[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] Your Screaming Terror spell has worn off of a rock golem.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] a rock golem says 'You will not evade me Maliciosa!'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] You have been summoned!
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 224 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:46 2006] A flighty fiend has taken 23 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:46 2006] Xonann bashes a rock golem for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 20 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 135 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 197 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] Rusten tells the group, 'yeah my bad thought iwas casting tap'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] A flighty fiend bashes YOU for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] Tuazen begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Xonann tells you, 'I am unable to wake a flighty fiend, master.'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] You begin casting Feign Death.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] A flighty fiend has taken 36 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] a flighty fiend has been awakened by Maliciosa.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:52 2006] A flighty fiend hits YOU for 33 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:52 2006] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] an elemental wizard begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:54 2006] Tuazen hit a flighty fiend for 855 points of non-melee damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:54 2006] A flighty fiend screams as a magic force rends their flesh.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:55 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:56 2006] a flighty fiend begins to use a rock golem as a living shield!
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:56 2006] a rock golem says 'You will not evade me Destructioner!'

Plane of Hate:

[Fri Sep 01 00:16:04 2006] a loathling lich says 'You will not evade me Velvetmoon!'
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:04 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:05 2006] A loathling lich's body begins to splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:05 2006] A loathling lich looks angry.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] a loathling lich regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] You resist the Immobilize spell!
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:07 2006] A loathling lich has taken 136 damage from your Ignite Blood.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:07 2006] A loathling lich has taken 11 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] Uggme staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] A loathling lich staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:09 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:10 2006] Uggme scores a critical hit! (35)
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:11 2006] Velvetmoon begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:11 2006] Your feet adhere to the ground.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:12 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] Kebarn backstabs a loathling lich for 80 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] A loathling lich has taken 127 damage from your Ignite Blood.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] A loathling lich has taken 23 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 22 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] A loathling lich staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 44 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] Velvetmoon hit a loathling lich for 571 points of non-melee damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] A loathling lich's mind warps.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] a loathling lich says 'You will not evade me Velvetmoon!'

Of course this doesn't prove the interval can't be shorter, and I could forge it - but I ask everyone to check their log files for any summon interval less than 10 seconds by the same mob (please make sure it isn't 2 mobs of the same name summoning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just analyzed 115 MB of 2005/06 Logfiles from Antonius Bayle and The Combine (Progression):
- filtered lines with "will not evade" into a text file
- opened in OpenOffice Calc as text import, columns separated by space
- created 4 new columns with:
a) timespan between previous and current summon
b) timespan between current and next summon
c) filter column to have value 1 when either timespan is less than 12 seconds
d) column with the smaller value of a) and b) to hold the smallest timespans between summons

I then looked through all lines that had a value of 1 in column c) and thus an interesting summon time:
The *only* mob I have found pre-Planes of Power with a summon interval of less than 10 seconds was Cazic Thule in the revamped (epics) Plane of Fear: he summons in 6 second intervals.

Am happy to provide logfile extracts with the summon lines - am still looking for older logfiles, but I may have lost them in a HD crash.

[DoucLangur]

That being said and seeing the responses posted in the meantime: Rogean, it's your server - so do as you like. I pointed it out because I was sure (and after analyzing my logfiles am convinced) that the classic summon interval was higher (apparently 10 seconds), and because I understand we're striving to be as classic as possible here.

My "job" is only to point out non-classic mechanics/find evidence - not to decide what to implement.

Nevertheless, I would like to see it implemented, as it is *quite* different gameplay and I like to compare my achievements here with the live achievements back then - it's not as much fun needing a bigger force than I used to for the same content.

Kind Regards & stop responding to me when you're supposed to be enjoying christmas eve [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (appreciated though)

Slozem