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[Amelinda]

If they remove xp loss upon pvp death then what sort of penalty should they replace it with? Item loot?

They add in item loot then how many people are going to cry about that on the boards?

I think a large reason the population drops is because casual players here all of you trolls talking about how people aren't punished for exploiting etc. You think that doesn't drive away casual players or even some hardcore players who just aren't as informed? It does. I had to calm several players down and explain what actually happened.

Stop trying to label everything as an exploit and crying about it at the top of your lungs and maybe you'll stop driving people away. I know at least one person left over something I wouldn't/couldn't do. Whatever.

Maybe go recruit your old pvp buddies to play. If you come up with a legitimate well thought out proposal for something and submit it to nilbog/rogean in the proper location (in the petition/exploit forum or their pm box) I think you'll have a better response.

[Rust1d?]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they remove xp loss upon pvp death then what sort of penalty should they replace it with? Item loot?

They add in item loot then how many people are going to cry about that on the boards?

I think a large reason the population drops is because casual players here all of you trolls talking about how people aren't punished for exploiting etc. You think that doesn't drive away casual players or even some hardcore players who just aren't as informed? It does. I had to calm several players down and explain what actually happened.

Stop trying to label everything as an exploit and crying about it at the top of your lungs and maybe you'll stop driving people away. I know at least one person left over something I wouldn't/couldn't do. Whatever.

Maybe go recruit your old pvp buddies to play. If you come up with a legitimate well thought out proposal for something and submit it to nilbog/rogean in the proper location (in the petition/exploit forum or their pm box) I think you'll have a better response.

I agree that new people WILL be driven off once they start reading the forums. I think one of the only things that will bring people back is an exp bonus for levels 1-25. At 25, you start hitting places like MM, Guk, Sol A and it becomes more fun than just sitting in one place killing the same stuff over and over.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they remove xp loss upon pvp death then what sort of penalty should they replace it with? Item loot?

They add in item loot then how many people are going to cry about that on the boards?

I think a large reason the population drops is because casual players here all of you trolls talking about how people aren't punished for exploiting etc. You think that doesn't drive away casual players or even some hardcore players who just aren't as informed? It does. I had to calm several players down and explain what actually happened.

Stop trying to label everything as an exploit and crying about it at the top of your lungs and maybe you'll stop driving people away. I know at least one person left over something I wouldn't/couldn't do. Whatever.

Maybe go recruit your old pvp buddies to play. If you come up with a legitimate well thought out proposal for something and submit it to nilbog/rogean in the proper location (in the petition/exploit forum or their pm box) I think you'll have a better response.

I think its pretty obvious whats causing the population to drop. I doubt its what you are talking about. Does Rogean and Nilbog have a character on Red99 or blue99 they leveled up to 50? I dont think so. This is probably the reason why they added in XP loss to pvp. Its already really long to level up a character and especially longer if youve done it all on blue already and the reliving EQ thing is partly gone.

No amount of events can replace daily world pvp for me. Going back somewhere and trying to gank the same group over and over might be called "bindrushing" by people who dont like it but its pvp, the sort that would happen most on Rallos Zek. Either that or hanging around the same place for hours on end pvping. (I remember HHP being a hotspot on Rallos, as was Oasis and EC for pvping).

Youve listened to basement dwellers with no lives telling you that the xp loss was nothing and that only babies bad at the game would complain about it. People using words like "bindrushing" to describe long drawn out pvp fights where i would get most of my fun on Rallos.

Like this guy:

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xp loss in pvp is like 1%, its meaningless, less than a blue mob.

So now its your core population.

I dont mean to just complain but i think the solution is again pretty obvious, you just have to stop listening to the crowd of pve poopsockers and the lulz griefers who want xp loss in pvp to stay in. Were you seriously thinking you would get any kind of new blood to the server after 2 months once twinks were in and ganking new guys? You learn the game through pvping, experience. How long do you think new people to the game are going to stay getting xp loss for lulz by twinks who know the game 10X better than these new guys? Theres an extremely long learning curve to pvp right now because nobody wants to die because of xp loss, i dont care what the basement dwellers say. You will never get an influx of people this way. Im not sure what can be salvaged from the server right now though, the time to act was probably when we were hitting 650 people at peak.

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they remove xp loss upon pvp death then what sort of penalty should they replace it with? Item loot?

You died, you're now back at your spawn point with no mana. The person who killed you looted your money, and you'll have to leave the zone or else they'll kill you again.

Worked on live for a long time.

People don't play here because they don't like the leveling treadmill + exp loss in pvp. It really isn't hard to figure out, everyone's saying it.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You died, you're now back at your spawn point with no mana. The person who killed you looted your money, and you'll have to leave the zone or else they'll kill you again.

Worked on live for a long time.

People don't play here because they don't like the leveling treadmill + exp loss in pvp. It really isn't hard to figure out, everyone's saying it.

underestimates the willpower of the denizens of this community
dying with no death penalty = nonstop rushing until the other person logs/moves from the contested spot

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by gloinz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

underestimates the willpower of the denizens of this community
dying with no death penalty = nonstop rushing until the other person logs/moves from the contested spot

Or the other person actually wins and rusher gets tired of dying and quits.

Once again, it is ridiculous to claim that wasting time isnt a death penalty. If it was like on Rallos, then youd have to med for ~10 mins between each fight if youre soloing. If youre not a caster, you have to "rush" like vroom instant-like back to the zone where pvp happened.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or the other person actually wins and rusher gets tired of dying and quits.

Once again, it is ridiculous to claim that wasting time isnt a death penalty. If it was like on Rallos, then youd have to med for ~10 mins between each fight if youre soloing. If youre not a caster, you have to "rush" like vroom instant-like back to the zone where pvp happened.

you waste the person who is winning's time too so wtf is the point of winning in your scenario

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by gloinz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you waste the person who is winning's time too so wtf is the point of winning in your scenario

Don't feed him, he HAS to be a troll.

[Ninja]

To get this thread back on track:

I think the server left a bad taste in peoples mouth with no guard assist and a lot of congestion and griefing shit.

Now it's much better and community is better and more fun. A lot probably feel like "Oh it's too late there is already 50's farming stuff".

As Holocaust has proven just because olks have been 50 and farming a lot of shit doesn't mean you cant catch up and stomp faces.

They should come back imo it's not near over but some act like it is, NO HEART.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by gloinz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you waste the person who is winning's time too so wtf is the point of winning in your scenario

The journey is the destination. PVP for pvp's sake, just like Classic. Youd sometime get a drop out of someone who didnt bag, but it wasnt the main purpose of pvp.