Spells: Brusco`s Boastful Bellow Broken!

[Truth]

there is a knockback on this, but good luck getting it to interrupt shit with these generous channelling rules fails off around ~15 and completely worthless after ~20 id reckon

[Lazortag]

I seem to be doing just fine as a Bard.

bards were the shit even solo pk's. here, they are shit.

...I can still easily kill people solo, and have. A couple of small bugs doesn't make them "shit". Think of how much worse Bards are on every other emu server. My hunch is that you just don't know how to play a Bard. Here's a hint: if you get rooted, use the spell you got at level 22. Oh, you're not level 22 yet? Big surprise there.

There seems to be a lot of nerfs for bards while keeping the OP classes remaining OP.

A "nerf" implies that it's intentional. Find me another server where Bards work the way you expect them to. You don't control what the devs do with their time, stop flinging accusations at them when they don't fix minor bugs.

Bards are easily one of the most powerful classes on this server even with them not being 100% classic. You realize that some of the bard-related bugs favor Bards too, right? Like our invis song giving See Invis also. Or like our ae mez being ridiculously overpowered and not having a secondary resist check. Stop bitching and start being helpful.

[xblade724]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a hint: if you get rooted, use the spell you got at level 22. Oh, you're not level 22 yet? Big surprise there.

Yeah... level 22.. I'm level 12 - I prefer to be able to do *something* in pvp before then..

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A "nerf" implies that it's intentional. Find me another server where Bards work the way you expect them to. You don't control what the devs do with their time, stop flinging accusations at them when they don't fix minor bugs.

Way to troll without even reading the next line, I clearly said only 1 line down, "Now we can't do anything because of all these random nerfs which are hopefully unintended bugs!" - I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, sir. I'm waiting for a dev response on this thread.

[Lazortag]

Yeah... level 22.. I'm level 12 - I prefer to be able to do *something* in pvp before then..

Sorry, I was responding to Naez, who for some reason edited his post afterwards. Most of the meaner parts of my post were directed towards him. Sorry.

My problem is that this thread, like many bug threads, is less about the bug and more whining about how underpowered Bards are. Like I already said:

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that some of the bard-related bugs favor Bards too, right? ...

Bards are not unique in having some aspects of their class being less powerful than they were in classic, while other aspects are more powerful. The devs have a finite amount of time with which they can fix bugs, and won't always get to the bug you reported right away. Until it gets fixed, you just have to learn to adapt to it.

edit: here's a link from early 2001 about the knockback feature:

BELLOW MAKES CASTERS CRY IN DUELS, By Rokenn swiftsong - karana server (1/28/2001)

Bellow is a song that really shines in PvP/Duels vs casters. This song, in my experience, will always interrupt player character spell casting (due to the knockback effect of the song). I have successfully bellowed & interrupted casters 14 levels higher then me (30th lvl bard vs 44th lvl wizard). If you time it right they will never get a spell off [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://web.archive.org/web/200109111...Id=1035&Page=2

and one from 2000 that heavily implies that the song had a knockback:

Submited by: Lukkydan On: 11/2/2000 3:06:25 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
I see how cool this song can be, and it's really a great way to get loads of xp when soloing. But I think Crayzie is kind of barking up the wrong tree. When you can brag about what a great PvP you are WITHOUT twinking your bard, then it's time to talk. You shouldn't trash talk about how well you can beat casters in PvP when you're twinked out. Not very fair, now is it?

http://web.archive.org/web/200107112...l+Bellow&type=

(the post he was responding to isn't available on the wayback machine)

[Truth]

My credentials warrant not a response, but I am an internet troll and the lure is too strong.

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seem to be doing just fine as a Bard. ...I can still easily kill people solo, and have. A couple of small bugs doesn't make them "shit". Think of how much worse Bards are on every other emu server. My hunch is that you just don't know how to play a Bard. Here's a hint: if you get rooted, use the spell you got at level 22. Oh, you're not level 22 yet? Big surprise there.

Could have fooled me.

I've played bards on "other emu servers", as well as live. Empires II, bards did not work at all. cohpvp1.0, bloods vs crips, VZ/TZ, et all they worked pretty much as they do here.

Boastful bellow should very reliably interrupt, it was basically bards version of slam (remember slam can miss). Here the tiny hiccup stops working at effective 80 caster channelling.

Rooted? Bro the only time I die rooted is when I have a train of mobs, which would not happen if selo pulses functioned correctly. Not too mention the level 22 dispell hits your entire group and requires you to equip a lute. Get real bro. Also I still reccomend having pumice hotkeyed post-22, not fun to miss notes when you are blinded.

Originally Posted by wolfram

A "nerf" implies that it's intentional. Find me another server where Bards work the way you expect them to. You don't control what the devs do with their time, stop flinging accusations at them when they don't fix minor bugs.

Bards are easily one of the most powerful classes on this server even with them not being 100% classic. You realize that some of the bard-related bugs favor Bards too, right? Like our invis song giving See Invis also. Or like our ae mez being ridiculously overpowered and not having a secondary resist check. Stop bitching and start being helpful.

um Invis song always gave see invis?? And AE Mez breaks way too early here, I'm talking in between spammed 3 second pulses, to even be considered useable, especially in any standard group situation with pets. I'd hate to see it have a "secondary resist check"

[Albane]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seem to be doing just fine as a Bard.



...I can still easily kill people solo, and have. A couple of small bugs doesn't make them "shit". Think of how much worse Bards are on every other emu server. My hunch is that you just don't know how to play a Bard. Here's a hint: if you get rooted, use the spell you got at level 22. Oh, you're not level 22 yet? Big surprise there.

Wolfram, what strat are you using to "easily" solo people? Last time I saw you, you were blue to me, which means you don't have any of the useful PvP songs yet for dealing damage or interrupting casting.

If you get rooted, you can use your self dispel and make sure you remove every other buff you have going. But more than likely, the person who rooted you is going to cast root again. If you are kiting, they probably won't cast anything but root. If you have up your MR buffs, you better click them off, because they will be removed before the root. So now you have no buffs going and you spent 3 seconds removing root. Root is a 2 second casting time and you currently have no speed to escape and they have SoW.

EDIT: I now get what you mean by "easily kill people solo". You run around with a few other players to do all the damage, and the people you kill are solo.