Occupy Wall Street - Success

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Klath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that's what you want them to be about because it makes it easy for you to ridicule them. It's intellectually lazy but you'll continue to do it because making fun of dirty hippies always gets a chuckle.

It's intellectually lazy to assume that the protesters want what they claim to want? What I posted (with included levity) was straight from the horse's mouth. Instead of looking at what they are saying they want and seeing it for what it is, you are adding into what they are wanting to find some deep meaning and/or just ignoring a large percentage of the protesters and dismissing them as not part of the group. What I posted is literally straight from interviews, signage and submitted 'demands' from various groups throughout the country.

Also, I didn't once call anyone a 'dirty hippie' in my post but I did indicate (factually accurate) that the ones camping out aren't necessarily following generally acceptable personal hygiene expectations.

Again, it's lazy to assume that what someone says they want, they actually want?

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's lazy to assume that what someone says they want, they actually want?

it's lazy to assume the movement is homogenous. do all republicans want a complete abolition of abortion or a flat tax? do all democrats want to ban guns? are all tea partiers complete loons? you can find members of each party that have said these things, to assume that they represent the movement as a whole is absurd.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's lazy to assume the movement is homogenous. do all republicans want a complete abolition of abortion or a flat tax? do all democrats want to ban guns? are all tea partiers complete loons? you can find members of each party that have said these things, to assume that they represent the movement as a whole is absurd.

I agree that the movement has no central message. Another point of my initial post here (and other posts on the R&F forum re: OWS) has been that some of the things that OWS 'stands for' are awesome and will be supported almost universally regardless of political party if there was some form of standardization around messaging.

That being said, there is no central message so you say that these aren't OWS tenants and I say that they are. Both of our understandings come from things that we have seen & heard both personally talking to occupiers as well as seeing their signage across camps around the nation.

Don't tell me it's not about these things when this stuff is all over their camps.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that the movement has no central message. Another point of my initial post here (and other posts on the R&F forum re: OWS) has been that some of the things that OWS 'stands for' are awesome and will be supported almost universally regardless of political party if there was some form of standardization around messaging.

That being said, there is no central message so you say that these aren't OWS tenants and I say that they are. Both of our understandings come from things that we have seen & heard both personally talking to occupiers as well as seeing their signage across camps around the nation.

Don't tell me it's not about these things when this stuff is all over their camps.

I can agree with this sentiment. It's truly a downfall of some of the larger Occupations. Raleigh is well put together because of smaller numbers and a chance for people to get together and speak in groups. Chapel Hill has done the same in an attempt at something that has been referred to as "visioning," it has promoted a more solidified set of principles and ideas with which to evaluate, but by no means does each person have to repeat what everyone else is saying. Those that are on the fringe tend to get pushed out or walk away when they realize that they cannot promote their message at large. That is a problem in places like Philly or LA or OWS.. not everyone knows each other but the media knows where to pick up juicy bits.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that the movement has no central message.

so why did you post that tripe in the first place? trying to score a few laughs w/ your friends and people who already agree with you? because you aren't going to convince anyone w/ these childish tactics. take your sophistry somewhere else.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IAnother point of my initial post here (and other posts on the R&F forum re: OWS) has been that some of the things that OWS 'stands for' are awesome and will be supported almost universally regardless of political party if there was some form of standardization around messaging.

You should consider adding your voice to support the things you agree with.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's intellectually lazy to assume that the protesters want what they claim to want?

What is your source for this list of demands?

[Convict]

Originally Posted by Klath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is your source for this list of demands?

lol get this bro

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a resounding success for all OWS suppors everywhere but a special thanks goes out to the Communist Party USA, Black Panthers, Revolutionary Communist Party, American Nazi Party, Hezbollah, Government of North Korea, Communist Party of China, Hugo Chavez and Ayatollah Khamenei for your dedicated public support.

Basically Glenn Beck found our beloved R&F

[Klath]

Protesting the fact that the wealthy are able to game the system to the detriment of everyone else seems like a pretty worthwhile endeavour.

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[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Klath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Protesting the fact that the wealthy are able to game the system to the detriment of everyone else seems like a pretty worthwhile endeavour.

Wells Fargo's absorbed branch of Wachovia did just that. They were sued for it the other day:

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...29-712747.html