Game Mechanics: patch PoFear trash mobs back to classic (i.e. no summoning)?

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so all npcs > 50 can summon. Not all npcs in fearplane are > 50.

I do believe there was something to this though... I remember being summoned in hateplane, but not fearplane.

Does anyone else have more information?

Here's a screenshot of mine from Fear prior to Kunark's release showing an Amygdalan Knight summoning:

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I seem to remember that when the zone was first opened and there was no level restriction on entry to the zone, there was no summoning either. I believe this was corrected at roughly the same time as the level restriction change to 46+.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a screenshot of mine from Fear a few months prior to Kunark's release showing an Amygdalan Knight summoning

Okay - I just checked my log. Apparently I did not fight Amygdalan Knights when soloing PoFear breakin. And with your reminding us, I do seem to recall the knights summoning. I know for a fact that the entrance mobs didn't - and pretty sure Amygdalan warriors do not either.

So mobs that do not summon are definitely:
- spinechiller spiders
- scarelings
- shiverbacks
- fetid fiends
- boogeymen
- turmoil toads
- samhains
- tentacle tormentors

Mobs that I am unsure of:
- frightfingers
- gorgons
- phantasms
- glare lords
- worry wraiths
- nightmares
- phoboplasms
- Amygdalan warriors

Mobs that do summon:
Amygdalan knights

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay - I just checked my log. Apparently I did not fight Amygdalan Knights when soloing PoFear breakin. And with your reminding us, I do seem to recall the knights summoning. I know for a fact that the entrance mobs didn't - and pretty sure Amygdalan warriors do not either.

So mobs that do not summon are definitely:
- spinechiller spiders
- scarelings
- shiverbacks
- fetid fiends
- boogeymen
- turmoil toads
- samhains
- tentacle tormentors

Mobs that I am unsure of:
- frightfingers
- gorgons
- phantasms
- glare lords
- worry wraiths
- nightmares
- phoboplasms
- Amygdalan warriors

Mobs that do summon:
Amygdalan knights

As Nilbog stated in his post, summoning is based on level. Monsters over level 50 will summon. The level for these monsters varies. For example, a Scareling might spawn as level 49, and not summon. However, it may also spawn as level 51 and summon. Summoning in the Plane of Fear is working as intended.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As Nilbog stated in his post, summoning is based on level. [..] Summoning in the Plane of Fear is working as intended.

I contend that this is either not true for PoFear, or that 95% of the mobs I named used to spawn (on live) as level 50 and lower, and did not summon.

If someone has an active live account, I would kindly ask them to go to live PoFear nowadays and test how many scarelings etc. they can find that will summon them.

Summoning may be working as previously intended (for the reasons I stated in my OP), but it is not working like it was on classic.

Regards

Slozem

[uygi]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone has an active live account, I would kindly ask them to go to live PoFear nowadays and test how many scarelings etc. they can find that will summon them.

Pretty sure Live is on at least Fear 3.0 isn't it? Doubt you can get much useful info that way any more. Al'Kabor might be helpful though...

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure Live is on at least Fear 3.0 isn't it? Doubt you can get much useful info that way any more. Al'Kabor might be helpful though...

Oh - Fear was revamped again? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Thought it remained the same since original revamp. Well - Al'Kabor then [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And I will check my logs, I always had them on for many years, at least for Fear 2.0 which is going to be patched into P1999 soon I understand (with epics).

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at least for Fear 2.0 which is going to be patched into P1999 soon I understand (with epics).

The planes revamp comes in Velious, when epic quest bottlenecks are relieved by moving epic drops off boss mobs and putting them on the mini-bosses, putting in Remains of Venril Sathir, etc.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2000-2.html

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September 19, 2000 7:00 am
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*New Epic Quests*

We are pleased to announce that we have implemented new "Fiery Avenger"
style quests for every class in the game (including paladins). The
ultimate reward for each quest boasts a custom model with unique
particle effects. We think that you will be pleased.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2001-1.html

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March 14, 2001 3:00 am
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The Planes:

The Planes of Fear and Hate have been updated as part of our two-year
celebration. Adventurers in the Plane of Fear will notice that some
high-level foes are now available. Rewards for former "boss npcs" have
been moved down to underlings that are roughly as powerful as the old
bosses were.

The Plane of Hate has also received a large update, but this one also
includes the opening of a previously undiscovered part of the zone, now
full high-level expansion-oriented content. Much as with Fear, rewards
from bosses have been moved.

Epic Quests:

As part of the Plane updates, we've made several adjustments to Epic
quests for a number of classes. Previously, questers of many classes
were put in direct competition with regular non-questing adventurers
for a few coveted spawns. In these cases, a new step has been added to
separate the "Epic Encounter" NPCs from the "Epic Quest" NPCs.

For those who are mid-quest, all quest requirements have remained the
same. In other words, if you turn the same items into the same NPC, the
same reward applies. What has changed is that some components may
be in a different location from where you expect them. It is recommended that
you check with the last NPC in line or other adventurers to find where
you need to go next.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a screenshot of mine from Fear prior to Kunark's release showing an Amygdalan Knight summoning:

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Nice. That definitely proves classic summoning of non named npcs in fearplane.

Perhaps only certain npcs could spawn as > lvl 50.
Or, the % of spawns > lvl 50 were very rare.
Or.. certain fearplane npcs were designed not to summon, regardless of their level.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps only certain npcs could spawn as > lvl 50.
Or, the % of spawns > lvl 50 were very rare.
Or.. certain fearplane npcs were designed not to summon, regardless of their level.

I am thinking the latter, but I will try to scan through all my logfiles these next days to see if I find counter-evidence - i.e. scarelings or similar actually summoning me or anyone in my groups/raids.

Cheers

Slozem

[Unfun]

[QUOTE=Heebee;478512]Here's a screenshot of mine from Fear prior to Kunark's release showing an Amygdalan Knight summoning:

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Prior to kunark release? Isn't that the velious UI? Pretty sure only available UI before kunark was the Classic ui