OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

oldfish · #1 11-18-2011, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You serious? Lets evaluate the situation.

- Protesters are (peaceably) breaking the law. (see: time, manner, place & public property applications of constitutional protection before you cry about 'right to assemble').
- Police ask the unlawful gathering to disperse.
- They refuse.
- Police push them back.
- They refuse and yell at police more (still breaking the law here in case you aren't following).
- Police use force as per their protocol
- Protesters continue to resist

Was too much force used? I wasn't there but apparently there were no (official) injuries reported. In the video the people that are getting arrested aren't wincing and pain and crying so I'd assume they aren't injured, at least not too bad.

Police force should utilize the minimum amount required to accomplish their job when someone is breaking the law. They may have used more than was neccesary but again, I wasn't there and just watching the video so don't know the background before the 2 minutes that were on camera. But seriously... the police are 'gutting' them? Get real..

Are you fucking stupid?

Do you know how easily i can hurt you with my scrawny frame going full steam on your liver/chops/kidneys with a baton like that?

They could easily push those people back (theyre not fighting back) doing light hockey cross checks or wielding shields... Theyre out to hurt them, thats plain obvious.

vaylorie · #2 11-18-2011, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you fucking stupid?

Do you know how easily i can hurt you with my scrawny frame going full steam on your liver/chops/kidneys with a baton like that?

They could easily push those people back (theyre not fighting back) doing light hockey cross checks or wielding shields... Theyre out to hurt them, thats plain obvious.

As I said, I don't know if they used excessive force, I saw a 2 minute clip of a video in which the police yelled 'we are moving forward' and started to move froward using force. I didn't see anyone curling over in pain or seeming physically hurt by them so I can't say that it was police brutality. They may have and if so, shame on them.

You think the cops drove past and said 'oh shit look.. it's some college kids.. lets go club them with sticks!'. Clearly not. They are doing a job, you break the law and resist/refuse to comply with the law, police are authorized to use force. You on here crying police brutality like there are 20 insane hyped up cops savagely beating a small child is a stretch from what is in that video.

Show me the whole video and not some 2 minute segment designed to show the cops abusing people and then lets talk.

oldfish · #3 11-19-2011, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said, I don't know if they used excessive force, I saw a 2 minute clip of a video in which the police yelled 'we are moving forward' and started to move froward using force. I didn't see anyone curling over in pain or seeming physically hurt by them so I can't say that it was police brutality. They may have and if so, shame on them.

You think the cops drove past and said 'oh shit look.. it's some college kids.. lets go club them with sticks!'. Clearly not. They are doing a job, you break the law and resist/refuse to comply with the law, police are authorized to use force. You on here crying police brutality like there are 20 insane hyped up cops savagely beating a small child is a stretch from what is in that video.

Show me the whole video and not some 2 minute segment designed to show the cops abusing people and then lets talk.

I dont get it, you must have some ideological blinders that is not letting you see cops ramming batons full force on the side of people who are not behaving aggressively.

Hasbinbad · #4 11-19-2011, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont get it, you must have some ideological blinders that is not letting you see cops ramming batons full force on the side of people who are not behaving aggressively.

It's intentional ignorance. Typical head in the sand right winger ideology. To not be informed has become a virtue among that group; talk about brainwash.

Kraftwerk · #5 11-20-2011, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's intentional ignorance. Typical head in the sand right winger ideology. To not be informed has become a virtue among that group; talk about brainwash.

Right wing, left wing. It's all the same. The only difference now are people who are pro the system currently in place (Republican/Democrats are the same exact thing, for reference please see all the ex-Goldman Sachs in political office through Obama - namely former Obama Treasury Secretary Nominee / thief of $600M+ customer money at MF Global John Corzine) and the people who are against the system progressing deeper into the abyss of corruption and ineptitude. As we make our way into the next coming credit downgrade of the United States (likely before Q2 2012) and the credit crash sparked on by Eurodebt becoming completely unmanageable in both the periphery and core it's going to take a lot more for people to be ignorant of the greed and manipulation taking place and the police force being used to perpetuate things the way TPTB want it move forward.

So while there are those stating whether the recent rash of police brutality and the methods of the protesters are lawful or not, one has to consider who those laws are there to protect. Certainly not the citizens. And if anyone thinks these protests are just a flash in the pan, I envy your naivety. Over the next decade when our government and those of Europe and Asia begin to take the currency wars to the next step and the majority of Americans begin to see their real wealth vanish from hyperinflation, that's when the real protests will start to begin.

Convict · #6 11-20-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right wing, left wing. It's all the same. The only difference now are people who are pro the system currently in place (Republican/Democrats are the same exact thing, for reference please see all the ex-Goldman Sachs in political office through Obama - namely former Obama Treasury Secretary Nominee / thief of $600M+ customer money at MF Global John Corzine) and the people who are against the system progressing deeper into the abyss of corruption and ineptitude. As we make our way into the next coming credit downgrade of the United States (likely before Q2 2012) and the credit crash sparked on by Eurodebt becoming completely unmanageable in both the periphery and core it's going to take a lot more for people to be ignorant of the greed and manipulation taking place and the police force being used to perpetuate things the way TPTB want it move forward.

So while there are those stating whether the recent rash of police brutality and the methods of the protesters are lawful or not, one has to consider who those laws are there to protect. Certainly not the citizens. And if anyone thinks these protests are just a flash in the pan, I envy your naivety. Over the next decade when our government and those of Europe and Asia begin to take the currency wars to the next step and the majority of Americans begin to see their real wealth vanish from hyperinflation, that's when the real protests will start to begin.

sad cuz true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jerry Garcia · #7 11-20-2011, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sad cuz true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]