Cleaning Up Our Collective Act

[Mordachai]

no i wasn't trolling and i'm really not going to get involved in a bunch of e-peen waving with you, thanks.

but pretty much insulting the heritage of a lot of folks (whether or not that heritage had misguided intentions in the past is irrelevant) pretty much comes across as painting you as a holier-than-thou person who can tear down the 'ignorant southerners' because we don't know any better anyway.

so to sum up in the language you seem to prefer now... shut the fuck up and i don't need a youtube video to say it for me.

[Kyronix]

Viable has nothing to do with whether or not a belief is political or not, the green party is fucking worthless but Nader run's every year and viable or not, its still a completely valid political belief. And the term "Hate speech" is misleading because ultimately it is protected under the constitution. As long as it doesnt impose a "clear and present danger" its pretty much free speech, to elaborate words that "by their very nature, involve danger to the public peace and to the security of the state" are also punishable, however when from small groups this is overlooked. And ultimately hate speech doesn't "usually" call for action and is usually just rhetoric so there is often no recourse.

[isitatomic]

Originally Posted by Kyronix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Viable has nothing to do with whether or not a belief is political or not, the green party is fucking worthless but Nader run's every year and viable or not, its still a completely valid political belief. And the term "Hate speech" is misleading because ultimately it is protected under the constitution. As long as it doesnt impose a "clear and present danger" its pretty much free speech, to elaborate words that "by their very nature, involve danger to the public peace and to the security of the state" are also punishable, however when from small groups this is overlooked. And ultimately hate speech doesn't "usually" call for action and is usually just rhetoric so there is often no recourse.

This isn't all that bad for taking a stab in the dark. Kudos to you for arguing about the "Letter vs. Spirit" doctrines without even knowing what they are!

Unfortunately for you though, most of this was either yanked from the wikis, the googles, or your asshole (or all three?)

CHECK: Correct, viability has makes no difference there, kudos again! It was a rhetorical challenge, because I was referencing centuries-old politics anyway. If you think nilbog includes "150yr old political entities" in his concept of what entails protected political subjects, you sir... are a tool. Oh, and - FUCK THE WHIGS!!!

MATE: Hate speech IS NOT something that private institutions are willing to split hairs on. Sure, it's not codified, you are legally able to stand on the sidewalk spewing bigoted nonsense *until* you are eventually cited for any number of other minor infractions at any rate. Shit like that happens all of the time (car searches anyone?). The moment you go to work, to school, to the store, or P99 for that matter, things change. Go ahead and try to file suit against your employer when you're fired for spouting racial epithets all day at work citing your first amendment rights. /popcorn

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by isitatomic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FUCK THE WHIGS!!!

Edmund Burke is rolling in his grave at you, SIR.

[Kyronix]

Originally Posted by isitatomic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CHECK: Correct, viability has makes no difference there, kudos again! It was a rhetorical challenge, because I was referencing centuries-old politics anyway. If you think nilbog includes "150yr old political entities" in his concept of what entails protected political subjects, you sir... are a tool. Oh, and - FUCK THE WHIGS!!!

Its not the entities, its the values held. And you are right that nilbog does not include the "150yr old political entity" but they still held certain political values that are incredibly relevant today, and I was pointing out that you were basically pissing and moaning but than poking fun or defaming a political belief that is not your own (I assume) so you are ok with it. So talk about missing the point...

Originally Posted by isitatomic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MATE: Hate speech IS NOT something that private institutions are willing to split hairs on. Sure, it's not codified, you are legally able to stand on the sidewalk spewing bigoted nonsense *until* you are eventually cited for any number of other minor infractions at any rate. Shit like that happens all of the time (car searches anyone?). The moment you go to work, to school, to the store, or P99 for that matter, things change. Go ahead and try to file suit against your employer when you're fired for spouting racial epithets all day at work citing your first amendment rights. /popcorn

No they don't put up with that shit, and having been in private sector, its because of liability and public image. Once it does go over the line the employer is the party responsible regardless of who was spouting it. And you agree to not do those things based on your contract of employment or suffer the consequences, often times termination. So yes things change and as P99 is owned by a private party, there are terms that must be followed to participate. I'm not saying I should be able to run around and shout fag all over the zones and tell everyone to go screw a goat, I in fact agreed with your postings for the most part, but you talk like such a high horsed douche bag it gets annoying.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Kyronix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you talk like such a high horsed douche bag it gets annoying.

Oh, the humanity!

a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

[Mordachai]

Originally Posted by Kyronix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not the entities, its the values held. And you are right that nilbog does not include the "150yr old political entity" but they still held certain political values that are incredibly relevant today, and I was pointing out that you were basically pissing and moaning but than poking fun or defaming a political belief that is not your own (I assume) so you are ok with it. So talk about missing the point...

this. thank you for seeing the point i was making. it's easy to point out what one considers a shortcoming in others, especially when the person doing the pointing can't see when they do it just as much.

ideally, this thread would end with if you don't make the rules, or enforce them, then you need to be the one shutting up, and i don't care which side you're on, and yes that includes me.

(and please never promote the crusaders to positions of power, it'll be book burning and witch trials next)

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Mordachai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(and please never promote the crusaders to positions of power, it'll be book burning and witch trials next)

Do you happen to float on water?

[Mordachai]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you happen to float on water?

no! you won't be burning me at the stake!! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[isitatomic]

E-peen waving is not possible as mine crusted over and fell off years ago.

Basically: Leave your idea of heritage not being properly venerated and whatnot at the door. I guess I put too much confidence in all potential readers to fully understand my analogy without getting emotional. Allow me to spell it out for you, sans drama, just the facts.


The Confederate States of America...

*Known predominantly for fighting to preserve the practice of slavery

*Lost the civil war

*Wound up on the wrong side of history


Let's assume that we all understand that the CSA was dissolved MORE THAN A CENTURY AGO. Let's also assume that "the glory days" MUST have existed prior to its dissolution. Assuming all of this (which is safe to do, because they are things called "facts"), the glory days were the days of slavery.

Missing the point of the Union's success and subsequent emancipation serves as a reminder that some people are just always going to miss the point.