Which Class to play on P99

[Dangergirl]

Originally Posted by Daviss34 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok,I am going to compare a few levels of spells between druids and wizards just to show this is complete horseshit. I would start at level 24 because that is when new spell levels sync up, but druids don't get a new single DD every level. So I will begin at 29.
Level 29
Druid- Combust Fire based DD (171-182 damage) 110
182/110=1.6545
Wiz- Inferno Shock Fire based DD (237-250 damage) 135
250/135=1.8518
Ok so already wrong.....

Level 39
Druid- Firestrike Fire based DD (282-302 damage) 155
302/155=1.9483
Wiz- Lightning Shock Magic based DD (381-405 damage) 180
405/180= 2.25
Wronger.....

Level 44
Druid- Calefaction Fire based DD (444-450 damage) 250
450/250=1.8
Wiz- Confaguration Fire based DD (606-625 damage) 250
625/250=2.5
Wrongest
Theory debunked, thanks for playing though. Research is kind of important.

You have a very good point, so For all the heals and sow and regen Druids get, our spells are about 12% less mana efficient throughout.

Califaction is not a fair compare, it is a specialty quick cast, but hey you know it all right?

My theory is that the damage sheild and Str outweigh this 12% so calm down bunkie, you aint disproved a thing.

Dont get so angry, you can still re roll druid and get 25% bonus for a week [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Healthcare]

One other thing to keep in mind are how many other people are playing the class. I personally have a hard time sometimes playing something that there's A LOT of so take that into consideration with druids, which there's a lot of. That may also be a problem when you try to find groups and find a bunch of other druids ahead of you, unless of course they're all out soloing.

[Daviss34]

Originally Posted by Dangergirl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think alot of you would be surprised to know that at lvl 48 and under, Druid and Wizard Damage:Mana ratio on DD is exactly the same! Only at 49 is it Wiz 2.8 Dru 2.45. BTW Druids get the 2nd biggest nukes in the game!

Clearly, I was speaking towards your original assertion that Wizzy and Druid damage to mana ratios on DD's are Exactly the same. Now if you had asserted that the extra utility makes up for the difference I would have said that's your prerogative to do so. However you did not say that in your original post, you said the ratio's are exactly the same so why roll a wiz! I was simply saying that's a completely false statement, the ratio's are not the remotely the same.
You stated "My theory is that the damage sheild and Str outweigh this 12% so calm down bunkie, you aint disproved a thing." Please show me where you stated that was your theory in the previous post. Acting like what you were saying all along was the utility makes up for the ratio difference is untrue. You stated There was NO difference. Now you have confused a level 23 wizard into thinking that a druid can do exactly the same dps as a wizard but also gets a bunch of utility, and that's simply untrue. This is why your misinformation is harmful, please do a little research before you post broad statements and back it up with some numbers, not just random assertions. Once again your theory was straight up debunked.

[Dangergirl]

Originally Posted by Daviss34 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly, I was speaking towards your original assertion that Wizzy and Druid damage to mana ratios on DD's are Exactly the same. Now if you had asserted that the extra utility makes up for the difference I would have said that's your prerogative to do so. However you did not say that in your original post, you said the ratio's are exactly the same so why roll a wiz! I was simply saying that's a completely false statement, the ratio's are not the remotely the same.
You stated "My theory is that the damage sheild and Str outweigh this 12% so calm down bunkie, you aint disproved a thing." Please show me where you stated that was your theory in the previous post. Acting like what you were saying all along was the utility makes up for the ratio difference is untrue. You stated There was NO difference. Now you have confused a level 23 wizard into thinking that a druid can do exactly the same dps as a wizard but also gets a bunch of utility, and that's simply untrue. This is why your misinformation is harmful, please do a little research before you post broad statements and back it up with some numbers, not just random assertions. Once again your theory was straight up debunked.

I made an incorrect statement of fact about mana ratios as a pillar of my theory because I compared mana ratios of equal damage spells , which admittedly was unfair to the wizzie argument. That was just the opening statement before I stated my theory. I'm sorry you are so poorly educated but that was a FACT that I stated incorrectly not a theory. My theory was the next paragraph.

"If you add in the small amount of + damage from strength buffs + the damage from damage shields (Yes wizzies get a damage shield but it is far inferior) It could be argued that Druids out DPS wizzies in grps! Add in the druid dot that is irresistible to anything within 8 levels (live) and has a 3.2 D:M at lvl 44 and you have a convincing argument!"

Don't get upset because you don't know the diff tween a Fact and theory, I admit I got the facts wrong pre 48, but I have them right post 49, and it doesn't matter anyways, 80+% of peeps reading this will roll druids over wizzies.

Also, If you quoted my whole statement, you best off read it, and if you read it and forgot what I said in it so quickly, then we know your mental capacity.

Go shoot up the post office you work at then take my advice on your new druid...115 points in wisdom :P

[Malrubius]

I think I'm starting to form a theory too.

[Daviss34]

Originally Posted by Dangergirl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made an incorrect statement of fact about mana ratios as a pillar of my theory because I compared mana ratios of equal damage spells , which admittedly was unfair to the wizzie argument. That was just the opening statement before I stated my theory. I'm sorry you are so poorly educated but that was a FACT that I stated incorrectly not a theory. My theory was the next paragraph.

"If you add in the small amount of + damage from strength buffs + the damage from damage shields (Yes wizzies get a damage shield but it is far inferior) It could be argued that Druids out DPS wizzies in grps! Add in the druid dot that is irresistible to anything within 8 levels (live) and has a 3.2 D:M at lvl 44 and you have a convincing argument!"

Don't get upset because you don't know the diff tween a Fact and theory, I admit I got the facts wrong pre 48, but I have them right post 49, and it doesn't matter anyways, 80+% of peeps reading this will roll druids over wizzies.

Also, If you quoted my whole statement, you best off read it, and if you read it and forgot what I said in it so quickly, then we know your mental capacity.

Go shoot up the post office you work at then take my advice on your new druid...115 points in wisdom :P

So you are saying that the fact you used as a pillar of your theory was incorrect. Well if you base a theory on a fact that is incorrect it's probably going to make that theory wrong. Now if you look at my statement from my earlier post:
"Clearly, I was speaking towards your original assertion that Wizzy and Druid damage to mana ratios on DD's are Exactly the same. Now if you had asserted that the extra utility makes up for the difference I would have said that's your prerogative to do so."
So this time in lament terms since you have trouble reading; remove the incorrect fact that the ratio's are the same as a basis for your theory. Instead start a new theory saying "if you state the difference in DPS from DD for Wizards versus DD and utility for druids, it may be close enough to be considered negligible" in your opinion. I would have considered this a personal preference and reasonable to state. The only place where I had a problem is your incorrect fact, and since we have come to the conclusion that you didn't know what you were talking about in terms of pure data, and have now been informed, feel free to use your new and reasonable theory to state why you think Druids are superior to Wizards as DPS. Ya herrrrr me?

[Dangergirl]

Originally Posted by Daviss34 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So this time in lament terms since you have trouble reading

I apologize for calling you uneducated. I cry for the uneducated.

And I think my theory is clearly stated and restated: I feel thorns + str bonus in grp = the same or more dps as a wizzie, even with wizzie DD being more efficient.

It's a no brainer that + utility the druid is superior. Pack chloroplast is a potential 27 hp per mana. Sow alone might be worth 12% Heals for sure are worth 12%!

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Dangergirl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

, but I have them right post 49,

post 49 is where wizards shine with their nukes, fastest cast timers, lures..

[Dangergirl]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

post 49 is where wizards shine with their nukes, fastest cast timers, lures..

Find me a Wiz who can cast a lure on p99 and you win!

[KilyenaMage]

Originally Posted by Dangergirl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find me a Wiz who can cast a lure on p99 and you win!

I'm about 99% sure that wizzies get lures during Kunark -- at which pont they become an asset to any Guild.

No other class will be providing the burst DPS they can offer against Raid targets. (except maybe rogues !?!?)

PS -- NO OVER-NUKING PLEASE !!!