Game Mechanics: Feign death and spells

[Fazlazen]

http://test.monkly-business.net/foru...6amp%3B+spells

<a name="sns4"></a>Q: What breaks a successful Feign?



A: Two things will break a sucessful feign: (1) getting hit by any spell except a dispell, beneficial or harmful, including AEs, and (2) moving. There are lots of things that could make you move while FD -- steep slopes, accidentally right-clicking on a corpse (and thereby looting it) when you're trying to con a mob, or finishing a bandage all count as movement.

I kind of didn't want to post this because I feel the answer is somewhat wrong. I do not remember beneficial spells breaking FD in Kunark/Velious/Luclin. I have however not played the game since Luclin was the last expansion out, so my memory could be off.

[Treats]

Several links, most importantly one from the SOE official board:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=66741

My test situation:

Fight with a Tae Ew justicar x2 at near Cazic Thule's Entrance.

My sample test:

Pushed Death Peace Hot-Key after justicar's cast begin.
a Tae Ew justicar casted Wrath(cast time 3.5sec) many times.

Log: (my time zone is asian, not fake log)

[Tue Sep 21 20:33:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:11 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:13 2004] A Tae Ew justicar feels a bit dispelled.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:13 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:14 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:22 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:23 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 9 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:25 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:26 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:29 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:34 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:37 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:37 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:39 2004] a Tae Ew justicar says 'Errrrrr. Die, soft skin!'
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:42 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:51 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:58 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:59 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:01 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:01 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:02 2004] a Tae Ew justicar says 'Errrrrr. Die, soft skin!'
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:03 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:09 2004] You punch a Tae Ew justicar for 19 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:14 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:14 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.

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http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ad.php?t=10441

http://www.eqnecro.net/board/viewtop...ish_rel=-10000

[Rais]

I fail to see how stuff in 2004, equates to stuff to pre 2004. I searched all the links you have posted, and they all have

[Fri Sep 22 20:49:39 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

[Thu Jan 19 20:16:07 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

And those messages were never in the game till after Kunark for sure.


And accroding to the first post in Treats link

Author:
KwanX [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:06 pm ] #1
Post subject: FD and Spell Resist
Post number: #1
Some months ago, a patch was made that made FD fail wether you resist the spell or not...Major Bummer..I must have bugged this 30+ times with no reply/response.

Low and behold DoD comes out and we have the "willful death" aa that gives you a chance to stay FD when you resist a spell.

I think is pretty lame that they take away something and then sell it back as aa's...

any thoughts?

So sometime after before 2005 a patch was put in to make spells even resisted break FD. Thank you for clearing up the issue Treats

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to see how stuff in 2004, equates to stuff to pre 2004. I searched all the links you have posted, and they all have




And those messages were never in the game till after Kunark for sure.


And accroding to the first post in Treats link



So sometime after before 2005 a patch was put in to make spells even resisted break FD. Thank you for clearing up the issue Treats

Did you happen to read that whole thread? That post was made ONE YEAR and SEVEN MONTHS after Gates of Discord was released. Obviously it is not correct.

STONEWALL description:

Each rank in this ability gives monks an increasing chance for their feigned deaths to not be revealed by spells cast upon them. At higher ranks, monks become immune to feign breaking on a resisted spell, and have a good chance of feigning through a spell that successfully hits them.

[Rais]

Yes I did read the thread. I also see that you are posting information 2005+. I simply pointed out the entire post that led to the thread disagreed with the topic/bug here.

I see many people saying the AAs were added during an expansion, after a way of spells landing on someone FD changed.

Tell me when this message was put in, and I'm pretty sure we can pin point a patch that changed the way FD worked vs resisted spells.

[Fri Sep 22 20:49:39 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

And EQ changed the mechanics of spells/abilities before Expansions, to add AA abilities. This isn't new. So seeing your own links arguing this very fact only makes me think that FD not breaking on spell resist is working correctly.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me when this message was put in, and I'm pretty sure we can pin point a patch that changed the way FD worked vs resisted spells.

[Fri Sep 22 20:49:39 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

And EQ changed the mechanics of spells/abilities before Expansions, to add AA abilities. This isn't new. So seeing your own links arguing this very fact only makes me think that FD not breaking on spell resist is working correctly.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8879

when i fd, either to use it in a evade type way, fd to split or fd to save my life i...



always turn off auto attack!



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for me, it seems if i fd while attacking.. i fd good but there still scowling.. my only guess is i hit them while doin the FD.



every time i have a successful FD while not attacking, it works =]



also, if your being casted on by an npc.. fd AFTER the spell hits you, takes practice.. and may take a few times to do, if there chain casting or youve got 2+ caster types on you.



if you fd and a spell lands on you, fd will be broke.. youll get that message about how your no longer feigned.



turn off auto attack -> wait for like a split second -> fd

wait for spell to land on you -> fd



works for me!

Luclin Expansion. BEFORE the new UI was implemented. Find something on Monkly Business where it says you have a chance of your Feign Death not breaking on a successful spell resist.

[Rais]

if you fd and a spell lands on you, fd will be broke.. youll get that message about how your no longer feigned.

I'm guessing you're using that as part of your line of thinking that FD should break if resist a spell? Or just adding in that according to that post on 12-15-2001 that someone mentions when you are no longer feigned? That post itself says when a spell hit, not resisted.

I know when Healing a Monk while FD would cause agro if mobs were still in agro range of a monk. They changed it so beneficial spells, wouldn't break FD. As for finding anything about resisting a spell, I can't find anywhere till 2005 or so.

So we go back to the link you posted to the person mentioning in 2006, about a patch being put in and changing FD and resisting a spell as the only evidence found.
As for :

Luclin Expansion. BEFORE the new UI was implemented. Find something on Monkly Business where it says you have a chance of your Feign Death not breaking on a successful spell resist.

I've looked at all the links in this thread, and looked on my own. I can't find anything. So I will go by what the guidelines are in trying to report a bug.

Just a reminder:

While a lot of you have been contributing a lot of bugs recently, which is awesome, we have a high standard of accuracy / evidence. While we don't need a congressional hearing about every bug fix, throwing us a link to something definitive from a waybacked site is the most helpful thing you can do, other than pointing our attention to the bug itself. It helps us make the change with confidence that we're doing the right thing.

I have only seen evidence though one of your links in pointing out that FD was changed with resists from a few people, nothing else was really mentioned. I'll keep digging though.