Skill: Bash

[Mardur]

I didn't play a melee enough in classic classic (mained shaman and an alt enchanter) to know if Slam would consistently do 1 damage but I know on Project 1999 Slam will skillup your bash even if you don't have a shield, and that increased Bash skill makes your Slam do damage comparable to Kick.

[Snaggles]

I do recall slam increasing your bash skill. Thought there was a difference but again it could have been placebo mixed with fuzzy memory.

If a knight can slam to kick levels of dmg the ogre/troll vs small sk debate is sealed for me. Again, off topic (apologies) but interesting. Thx Mardur.

[Eledar]

Yes, slam/bash eventually does kick damage, and then further down the road can out do kick damage. It is based off of skill and shield ac.

The large race knight can bash without swapping on a shield, and ogre still has frontal stun immunity.

ETA: Also, bash has a higher skill cap than kick for warriors. 240vs210 iirc.

[Lagaidh]

Earlier on this server, clerics could in fact bash. It was not classic. It was removed.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Good info.. ty for replies heh...

guess i have to find other ways to be a dps cleric >:U

[Eledar]

Worship tunare, get innitiate symbol for 50% self haste buff at lvl 50, yak club and a str gear set gogo

ETA: I don't know if its really 50% at 50, alls I know is the effect is called "haste"

[Flunklesnarkin]

pfft.. brell serilis or gtfo ;p

[Eledar]

Yeah, but Dwarves are ghey

[Flunklesnarkin]

dwarves aren't gay... they're SUPER~~~

[Pomaikai]

The haste effect from the clicky initiate symbol lasts 2 seconds. It sounds really cool on paper, but was pretty darned useless in practice. Cleric bash wasn't really all about melee damage. It was much more about interrupting casters. Yes, it added a little extra dps, but its main effect was that it saved us mana by interrupting casters. It meant we had to heal less often.

Our stun spells are pretty mana intensive and are resisted a lot, but landing one just as the mob is engaged always saves mana because the fight doesn't last as long, and we don't have to cast as many heals.

Bash was a big deal for a lot of Clerics. We fought long and hard to get SOE to finally give us that skill. Further self sufficiency arrived later after so many old Clerics had quit the game due to the sheer boredom of the CHeal chain gang, and their toons turned into bots. I only played a Cleric, and truly love the class, but I do miss all of the added utility and self sufficiency that was added later.

A Cleric wielding the Luclin DA Hammer with his self proc'ing DS was a sight to behold. I was SO close to being able to solo Vindi when I quit playing about 4 1/2 years ago. So very, very close...

So says one of the crazy ex-battle Clerics from Live.