Since 61% of forum voted against Null's VZTZ resist system, a compromise is in order

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A snared warrior isn't going to die from a caster because he can pumice it off.

Does it sound like fun playing a melee and having to run to the zone line every time two hostiles appear in the zone you're in because one can chain cast snare the entire fight while the other nukes or melees you to death for a free kill?

This game mechanic discourages PvP from even happening in the first place. On EQ live, people will stick around for 1vs2's, no melee or hybrid will with lopsided Null mechanics where you can kite people to death.

The fight will look like this Rexx video if you stick around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo1hmS4H5Rk

Sure takes mad skills to kill somebody that can't move the entire fight.

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and the fact that the curve allowed you to hit over 95% resistance to anything

You didn't become immune to damage spells. I even posted a parse of a wizard nuking himself under the classic through velious resist system:


"I'm also on TZ -- i did some experimenting - yah i was bored
nuking myself with draught of ice (i have 167 cold resist unbuffed) the average hit was for 347 , so yah it can land consistent dmg, just not a whole lot".

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=51839

[Lovely]

Makeyoumad you're links are so dumb. Any melee or caster standing all alone in an open area like that deserve to die. They are idiots for being there in the first place. Second.

I'm gonna roll a monk and I feel that melee's are way to overpowered here. All the important camps and the best exp spots are inside dungeons and as a fully buffed monk inside a dungeon I'll be able to kill a full hp int caster in a few seconds. How will classes like Wizards even be useful? They suck in xp groups, they suck inside dungeons and that's the most important parts of the game. I'm not sure how to fix this myself but melee's will be way overpowered. The first two raid dragons are even inside dungeons. Casters are screwed hard.

We really have to think about how to fix this? How fun will it be when every important camp in the game is overrun by melee groups?

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any melee or caster standing all alone in an open area like that deserve to die. They are idiots for being there in the first place. Second.

There has to be some incentive for the solo person to stay and fight the two people. If not, then you're creating a system that deters PvP from occurring and makes people just run away from every fight. That's what I did on VZTZ when caster duos ran at me. No point in fighting if they have a 90% chance of kiting me to death. Then everyone logs off bored, having done nothing.

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the important camps and the best exp spots are inside dungeons and as a fully buffed monk inside a dungeon I'll be able to kill a full hp int caster in a few seconds. How will classes like Wizards even be useful?

Durrrr, wizards can also join groups and get buffs + heals just like you.

[Lovely]

Yeah but a Wizard can't even kill a fully buffed monk with a full mana pool if the monk AFK. So if both are getting heals then it's over even faster for the Wizard, not only will the monk even be close to dying but the Wizard will be oom and the monk will continue ripping 5-20% hp per second.

[Lovely]

When you're a caster on a PVP server I can promise you that 90% if not 95% of your kills will be other WIS/INT users if you solo/duo pvp. You will mostly be hunting outdoors at good exp spots, PP farm areas or low level dungeons. All places where casters hangout and not melee's. WIS/INT users are also easier to kill due to their low hp and the chance of more people adding will be lower cause they die fast. While a decent geared melee takes years to kill even if your CC land. You might even be OOM before he reaches 0 hp and have to run off yourself or even die.

Personally I see melee's as beasts and powerhouses. Just like every level 50 melee is on the beta currently. All those 50 warriors and 50 SK's are WAY WAY WAY more annoying then any WIS/INT caster to kill.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it sound like fun playing a melee and having to run to the zone line every time two hostiles appear in the zone you're in because one can chain cast snare the entire fight while the other nukes or melees you to death for a free kill?

This right here completely negates the rest of what you say. Two hostiles? In theory, 2 will beat 1. It will not matter which classes are involved. If you are afraid of death then stick to zonelines. I don't know what else to say except you sound like you do not know the game very well.

Enc/Wiz can mez/nuke people to death. Classic combo. No snared/root needed.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This right here completely negates the rest of what you say. Two hostiles? In theory, 2 will beat 1

No, 2 terrible people don't beat 1 good player in legit EQ, only on VZTZ is this possible due to things like CC spam landing.

[Null]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, 2 terrible people don't beat 1 good player in legit EQ, only on VZTZ is this possible due to things like CC spam landing.

Did you play classic? Honest question that has very little bearing on the resist system or the server in general.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you play classic? Honest question that has very little bearing on the resist system or the server in general.

Yep, my EQ subscription history has December 1999 as first billing date, dunno if that's accurate and I had billings before then or not.

[Null]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, my EQ subscription history has December 1999 as first billing date, dunno if that's accurate and I had billings before then or not.

And this is Wehrmacht / Tmoneywhatever correct?