Latest scientific consensus on intelligence, does it justify racism?

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. some of the variance in IQ is probably caused by genetics

The out of Africa theory of evolution predicts the closer you go to the source of where humans diverged from lower life forms, the more primitive and less intelligent the people would be. They stuck around and interbred longer.

You always have these crazy leftists who don't disagree with the out of Africa theory, yet disagree with all of it's obvious 1+1 conclusions.

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then accepting the "scientific consensus" STILL doesn't justify discrimination based on race (the definition I use for "racism") there are still black people who are smarter than you and there are still east asians and jews who are dumber than you, using race as an indicator of who is smarter or dumber is not acceptably precise enough.

Read my earlier post, it doesn't matter what outlier individuals score, a civilization is composed of the bell curve. It takes the shape of the average or lowest common denominator.

[burkemi5]

this thread is dumb. OP you are treating this like a political debate and talking about all these issues that are irrelevant. please come to my grad level diversity class and argue that racism is justified based on a wikipedia article. i'd pay you 100 dollars to do this.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP you are treating this like a political debate and talking about all these issues that are irrelevant.

Nope, I put value on what the bell curve score is for population groups. You think this value is irrelevant and that only outliers matter. Anyone with common sense knows that outlier data is far less meaningful.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

please come to my grad level diversity class and argue that racism is justified based on a wikipedia article. i'd pay you 100 dollars to do this.

Grad level "diversity" class? I hope you're not serious. How does such a class even exist.

Do you even know where political correctness and pro-diversity came from in the first place? The correct word for this movement is called "cultural Marxism".

Back when people were actually trying to push economic Marxism as mainstream, they started pushing cultural Marxism to go with it. Why? Because unless everyone believes they're the same as everyone else, collectivist movements fall apart. It's a brain washing and indoctrination process.

[burkemi5]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, I put value on what the bell curve score is for population groups. You think this value is irrelevant and that only outliers matter. Anyone with common sense knows that outlier data is far less meaningful.



Grad level "diversity" class? I hope you're not serious. How does such a class even exist.

Do you even know where political correctness and pro-diversity came from in the first place? The correct word for this movement is called "cultural Marxism".

Back when people were actually trying to push economic Marxism as mainstream, they started pushing cultural Marxism to go with it. Why? Because unless everyone believes they're the same as everyone else, collectivist movements fall apart. It's a brain washing and indoctrination process.

you're avoiding arguing about the main point, whether or not racism is justified. and yeah, i am in a field that requires me to be cognizant of diversity and racism so i am taking a graduate level diversity class. pretty common actually for my field of study.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're avoiding arguing about the main point, whether or not racism is justified.

Racism is justified if you agree that the bell curve of a population group is what matters, not outlier data, and integration with a group scoring on average, considerably lower than yours, would significantly decrease your level of civilization.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and yeah, i am in a field that requires me to be cognizant of diversity and racism so i am taking a graduate level diversity class. pretty common actually for my field of study.

And the main teaching of this class is, it's only racist if white people do it, right?

Anyway, not sure if you're aware, but America had a pretty much "western Europe only" immigration policy until 1965 when the law was changed. The main group involved in changing this law, viewed homogeneous societies as being hostile to their ethnic group so they started pushing "diversity" as being a good thing. In reality, they pushed it entirely out of self preservation.

These procedures are well documented in the following article, you can view the mountain of references at the bottom:

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-immigration.html

The whole diversity thing is pretty much a joke. Political correctness, diversity, both are offspring of Marxism. Today it's selfishly pushed by tiny ethnic groups that don't care what effect it has on the other 98% of the population. In terms of objective benefits, homogeneous civilizations far outweigh "diverse" ones. Racial nepotism is a huge source of conflict and internal problems, especially failed attempts at integration. Without going into specifics of which ones, Caucasian and Asian female intermarriage rates are something like 40%, other groups are 4% and can't be considered anything but a failure.

[burkemi5]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Racism is justified if you agree that the bell curve of a population group is what matters, not outlier data, and integration with a group scoring on average, considerably lower than yours, would significantly decrease your level of civilization.

if you're gonna throw around all these stats like you know something about statistical methods you should be careful of the words you use. are you saying that the population mean for intelligence of african americans is significantly lower than that of whites? and how would this "decrease my level of civilization? is intelligence the only measure of civilization? how is intelligence being measured? is it biased towards whites? what is civilization? what determines civilization? what makes my civilization "better?" how can i measure my "civilization" to determine that it is "decreased?" and how does this make racism okay again? so you're saying since another group isn't as smart as us (which is untrue) that we should treat them differently (i'm assuming you mean segregate) so to not taint our population? why shouldn't we help them, assuming they need help? sounds like you want to make an aryan race... hmm sounds familiar. OP you nazi bro?

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you saying that the population mean for intelligence of african americans is significantly lower than that of whites?

I didn't say that, the scientific consensus says that.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is it biased towards whites?

You must have missed this part:

5. "Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"

In many African languages, they only have terminology to say things like "The dog is up the tree", they don't even have words to describe how far up the dog is. Much abstract thinking is totally alien to them.

When you transplant these people from Africa to other societies, their children who were born and raised entirely in the 1st world, still have a large deficit in abstract thinking just like the African natives did.

This isn't cultural bias, this is called a biological deficit in abstract thinking and concepts.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and how would this "decrease my level of civilization?

Do you think people would have actually gone to space if the average IQ was 85 instead of 100? Everywhere on earth with IQ demographics that low, it's like a living hell.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and how does this make racism okay again?

Once again, the word "racism" implies treating people differently is wrong because everyone is equal. If everyone isn't equal, your guilt trip crap about "racism" collapses.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so you're saying since another group isn't as smart as us (which is untrue)

Says who? Where is your objective data that says everyone walking the planet is exactly the same? This theory of yours is not predicted by any theories of evolution or biology either.

I noticed you didn't address the out of Africa theory of evolution either. It predicts the closer you go the source of divergence from lower life forms, the more primitive of people you will find. Are you claiming out of Africa theory is false?

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that we should treat them differently (i'm assuming you mean segregate) so to not taint our population?

In the current modern day world, we have forced integration, and guess what, it doesn't work. Even with government coercion telling Caucasians they're evil if they don't like multiculturalism, the black intermarriage rate to whites is only 4%, what would it be without coercion? like 0-2%?

It's a failed social experiment no matter how you look at it. The white and Asian female intermarriage rate is 40% without government coercion.

Just looking at these numbers, you can tell that humans are selectively segregating themselves naturally, even while people try to social engineer them to act differently.

If people don't interbreed with each other, there's pretty much no reason for them to live together. It will just be a source of eternal conflict.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sounds like you want to make an aryan race... hmm sounds familiar. OP you nazi bro?

Ignoring all science on this issue and spamming the word Nazi is the usual far leftist approach to this subject. That's a pretty lame slander attempt, try to come with some actual, objective data next time.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grad level "diversity" class? I hope you're not serious. How does such a class even exist.
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I feel I should point out the elephant in the room: you have never graduated from high school. You admitted this much when we argued in IRC a while ago. This means you lack the proper background to make statistical inferences like the ones you've attempted to make in this thread. One could further argue that you lack basic reading comprehension and that you're a moron, which by your own reasoning justifies discrimination against you.

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad

5. "Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"

In many African languages, they only have terminology to say things like "The dog is up the tree", they don't even have words to describe how far up the dog is. Much abstract thinking is totally alien to them.

When you transplant these people from Africa to other societies, their children who were born and raised entirely in the 1st world, still have a large deficit in abstract thinking just like the African natives did.

Now you're assuming a link between intelligence and language. You aren't a linguist, nor have you studied linguistics, otherwise you would know that this hypothesis has been universally rejected. If you can find a peer-reviewed work that says that language determines capacity for abstract thought, I will give you over 9000 dollars. I'd be surprised if you could even find a recent work that says that language significantly affects how people perceive the world, because this is also rejected by the majority of linguists. In short, this is possibly the worst argument you could use to justify racism. This is probably why you didn't get into college Wehrmacht - not because affirmative action gave your spot to a black man, but because you make stupid fucking arguments like the one I quoted above.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel I should point out the elephant in the room: you have never graduated from high school. You admitted this much when we argued in IRC a while ago. This means you lack the proper background to make statistical inferences like the ones you've attempted to make in this thread. One could further argue that you lack basic reading comprehension and that you're a moron, which by your own reasoning justifies discrimination against you.



Now you're assuming a link between intelligence and language. You aren't a linguist, nor have you studied linguistics, otherwise you would know that this hypothesis has been universally rejected. If you can find a peer-reviewed work that says that language determines capacity for abstract thought, I will give you over 9000 dollars. I'd be surprised if you could even find a recent work that says that language significantly affects how people perceive the world, because this is also rejected by the majority of linguists. In short, this is possibly the worst argument you could use to justify racism. This is probably why you didn't get into college Wehrmacht - not because affirmative action gave your spot to a black man, but because you make stupid fucking arguments like the one I quoted above.

the dude's a straight up 1890s eugenecist and one big long argument from authority is the best you can do?

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel I should point out the elephant in the room: you have never graduated from high school. You admitted this much when we argued in IRC a while ago.

I don't know what this guy is even talking about. I've only talked to him like twice and the conversation was never about "high school". I went to college so you must be thinking of someone else. Either that or you're just making things up.

This Lazortag/Giegue guy is one of those people who has invested his life into far leftist ideology and refuses to change those thoughts when presented evidence debunking it. By acknowledging anything in this thread as true, it would be admitting how irrational and based on fantasy his ideology is.

He also belongs to a so called "persecuted" ethnic group, so the motive for his weak attacks against this scientific consensus is self preservation and nothing more. He's obviously has no credibility in this thread due to his extreme bias.