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Old 10-14-2011, 11:13 AM
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Why? Because regulation and the National Labor Board drove all industry out of the city
this statement is extremely facetious. there are a lot of forces at work in the world that have closed down factories and mills, not the least of which is the rapid industrialization of china and their subsequent entry into the international sphere of trading...
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:35 AM
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this statement is extremely facetious. there are a lot of forces at work in the world that have closed down factories and mills, not the least of which is the rapid industrialization of china and their subsequent entry into the international sphere of trading...
You ignore the fact that the US government has the power to impose tariffs and has failed to do so in the face of virtual slave labor and currency manipulation on the part of China. Again the onus is on government, not Capitalism. When government fails to protect the people it supposedly represents, it's hard to blame Capitalism. Transferring wealth to the third world to equalize the misery everywhere does not lead to prosperity, but it seems to be the goal of the US government, and has been for decades. That's not Capitalism.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:37 AM
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That's not Capitalism.
you said it better than I ever could have.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:43 AM
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the onus is on government, not Capitalism.
But since Capitalists run the government, your just shifting blame so that they're allowed to skirt the responsibility. Any time such a tariff is proposed, republicans, lobbyists, and corporations cry fowl and pump enough money into the pockets of elected officials to get it overturned.

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When government fails to protect the people it supposedly represents
Wait, are you supporting or against me? This thread is about government regulation and intervention in economics, not defending the capitalists agenda.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:08 PM
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But since Capitalists run the government, your just shifting blame so that they're allowed to skirt the responsibility. Any time such a tariff is proposed, republicans, lobbyists, and corporations cry fowl and pump enough money into the pockets of elected officials to get it overturned.
Since when do "Capitalists" run the government? When has the US ever made a profit from any of its wars, charity giveaways, or foreign aid? The US government takes the product of Capitalism, i.e. Capital, and spends it. It produces nothing. Many in government steal, take bribes, or create policy that leads to them profiting, but to say the government is run by Capitalists is like saying dogs are run by fleas. Just because the government takes from the producer doesn't mean it is a producer or has any meaningful connection to the producer other than the act of taking. The current US government does little to provide for the future of the country or the current prosperity and opposes any change that threatens its hegemony on power.

You mention Republicans, lobbyists, and corporations as if Democrats don't own and run and profit from corporations and you exclude Democrats from those that block any viable legislation that will decrease the flow of wealth out of the country. Apparently you know noting of the legislation that's been approved overwhelmingly by Democrats in the past four years, let alone the laws and policies of the past ten decades. They give money to competitors and enemies to replace US interests. Specifics would be one billion given to Mexico to do deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico at the same time that such drilling was banned in US waters: as if our water isn't touched by the water Mexico drills in. Another billion given to Brazil for the same purpose. Those were "stimulus" bill components.

If you go back to TARP, which was overwhelmingly passed by a Democratic congress and strongly backed by then nominee Barack Obama, you have money being given to multinational and foreign banks.

All of this in just the past three years: none of it benefiting the US in a Capitalist sense, all of it with overwhelming Democratic backing. It would seem you are a football team fan, routing for your Democrat home team that loses over and over again, while railing against the Republican football team that you perceive as the enemy. Try dealing with facts instead of emotion and propaganda.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:11 PM
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When has the US ever made a profit from any of its wars
Are you serious? Do you know who Prescott Bush or Dick Cheney are? Or how they might have benefited from demolishing 7 WTC or invading Iraq, respectively?

Do you realise that most congressmen and senators after they retire often sit on boards or are consultants for the corporations that influenced their decisions while in office?

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Apparently you know noting of the legislation that's been approved overwhelmingly by Democrats in the past four years
Lol, nothing has been passed in the last four years as the Republican controlled congress is trying to turn Obama into a lame duck.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:15 PM
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Are you serious? Do you know who Prescott Bush or Dick Cheney are? Or how they might have benefited from demolishing 7 WTC or invading Iraq, respectively?

Do you realise that most congressmen and senators after they retire often sit on boards or are consultants for the corporations that influenced their decisions while in office?



Lol, nothing has been passed in the last four years as the Republican controlled congress is trying to turn Obama into a lame duck.
Trying? He already is. Both parties are to be blamed though. Each side wants its own agenda furthered and neither likes backing down.
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