Egg-shaped pumice, chipped bone rod.

[Vohl]

I'd invite GMs to host some duels between PCs of various classes both with and without either variety of pumice to get an objective feel for how this affects PvP balance. My own belief is that it makes the PvP game far more level, and therefore fun, for PCs without mana bars and channeling skill. PCs who use blue kool aid can still nuke, debuff and DoT using poison and disease effects. The primary use of this item is 1) Stripping off root and snare effects that completely screw over melee classes; and 2) Stripping off SoW, allowing melee characters to actually close and attack.

Casters can still re-buff SoW, use jboots, etc. to renew movement buffs, as well as spam low level root and snare spells. They simply won't lead to an easy win as they currently do against melee classes.

Also keep in mind that resist gear and weapons available in Kunark will never be available on red99. Fungi and T-Staff and Epic PvP tactics will never enter play.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd invite GMs to host some duels between PCs of various classes both with and without either variety of pumice to get an objective feel for how this affects PvP balance. My own belief is that it makes the PvP game far more level, and therefore fun, for PCs without mana bars and channeling skill. PCs who use blue kool aid can still nuke, debuff and DoT using poison and disease effects. The primary use of this item is 1) Stripping off root and snare effects that completely screw over melee classes; and 2) Stripping off SoW, allowing melee characters to actually close and attack.

Casters can still re-buff SoW, use jboots, etc. to renew movement buffs, as well as spam low level root and snare spells. They simply won't lead to an easy win as they currently do against melee classes.

Also keep in mind that resist gear and weapons available in Kunark will never be available on red99. Fungi and T-Staff and Epic PvP tactics will never enter play.

This poster has never played everquest on a pvp server. This little thing called resist gear is what allows melee to close and attack, you're not suppose to wear your pve gear in pvp bro.

ps, stop making the erroneous assumption that melee are gimped on classic pvp servers. Melee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casters for group fights, guild fights, and even solo even at max preplanar gear. Shit man, look at vztz where MR based CC spells landed at a much higher rate than they will here. Despite all the bitching by mippo, wehrmacht, etc, guess what guilds won fights for vox, naggy, etc. It wasn't the guild of druids and mages, it was the melee heavy rape trains in resist gear (just like on live).

Your arguments involving melee needing instant pumice or only applicable towards people who are:

a) retards that refuse to bank their hero bracers because they think ac is more important that 7mr (insert x piece of pve gear for y piece of resist gear).

b) retards that think because at early levels pure melee have a rough time fighting casters with CC they should allow items in that completely break pvp

c) and retards like lachius who know that they only way they can compete is by100% stripping off opponents buffs so that they can hope for a 1 shot lavabolt kill or a double attack and harm touch.

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit man, look at vztz where MR based CC spells landed at a much higher rate than they will here. Despite all the bitching by mippo, wehrmacht, etc, guess what guilds won fights for vox, naggy, etc. It wasn't the guild of druids and mages, it was the melee heavy rape trains in resist gear (just like on live).

Many people such as myself don't want to play on a "forced grouping" server that rewards anyone walking around in a group attacking solo players with free kills. This is what happens when you let MR spells land with ease.

Your example above is a poor example of game balance because you're talking about fighting in shoebox size battlefields like the entrance of permafrost or tiny halls in SolB. If casters were actually good in that situation, they would probably be extremely overpowered in all other situations.

If you fight some place like fear or dreadlands, you'll be chasing around levitating casters for hours and never kill them. Balancing the game around where specific pieces of loot are just doesn't work.

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This poster has never played everquest on a pvp server. This little thing called resist gear is what allows melee to close and attack, you're not suppose to wear your pve gear in pvp bro.

ps, stop making the erroneous assumption that melee are gimped on classic pvp servers. Melee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casters for group fights, guild fights, and even solo even at max preplanar gear. Shit man, look at vztz where MR based CC spells landed at a much higher rate than they will here. Despite all the bitching by mippo, wehrmacht, etc, guess what guilds won fights for vox, naggy, etc. It wasn't the guild of druids and mages, it was the melee heavy rape trains in resist gear (just like on live).

Your arguments involving melee needing instant pumice or only applicable towards people who are:

a) retards that refuse to bank their hero bracers because they think ac is more important that 7mr (insert x piece of pve gear for y piece of resist gear).

b) retards that think because at early levels pure melee have a rough time fighting casters with CC they should allow items in that completely break pvp

c) and retards like lachius who know that they only way they can compete is by100% stripping off opponents buffs so that they can hope for a 1 shot lavabolt kill or a double attack and harm touch.

None of the discussion here is the least bit objective. I'd like to see some actual testing in PvP settings to see whether this stuff breaks EQ as badly as some claim. It is undeniably classic content, much like manastones. People debating that it shouldn't be included because it "breaks pvp" are conveniently ignoring the fact that it's already broken. The question is, is it better with egg-shaped pumice?

Answering that objectively will require DM help -- at least making the item available in beta.