Egg-shaped pumice, chipped bone rod.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Gnar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its better just to keep it out, farm and fight for your PVP gear that is really what EQ is all about.

Thanks for breaking down my question. It makes sense. I agree 100% with the statement above.

[Darksinga]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

2. I just don't get how GM's can make some ridiculous shit in game while not put other ridiculous shit in. For instance, SK Harm Touch refresh on death?

3. Why is fear/charm not in game for the benefit of CC classes yet SK's get a free refresh timer instead of waiting it out? I see major exploitation here. Kill Group A, die at your bind to fresh HT, go pwn Group B with the same Harm Touch... Umm?

4. Pure melees are going to receive it in the butt to a single earth elemental pet because they can't channel. Come on guys, you all have seen how earth pet root lasts 18-24 seconds, GG.

5. Solution: Make the pumice one charge, pillage enchantment, instant cast and lore. If a pet is on you, you can pell your root and maybe get away with some jboots and strafing.

6. This also adds more dynamic to DOT classes, remember these before you could have a million fukn pumices to pell all their dots?? Maybe druid/necro damage will be viable for once and you actually have to use STRATEGY to determine when you want to burn your pumice. Or hey maybe you actually have to mem the cast version of dispell instead of going to your 24 pumices in Bag 1,2, and 3???

7. Nullify Magic pumice is in fact more stupid because it has 5 charges, is super CHEAP, and you can have as MANY as you want. So let me get this straight, you guys would rather have a bard cast x10 nullify magics on you on the run rather than one pillage enchantment? Dumb much?

8. For the sake of Classic, let it be classic. Get rid of this "dynamic pvp system," let immy healing/bind rushing/corpse camping/etc etc be in the game because they were in on live and they added their OWN dynamic.

9. QQ Less, L2P Better.

[fiegi]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

2. I just don't get how GM's can make some ridiculous shit in game while not put other ridiculous shit in. For instance, SK Harm Touch refresh on death?

3. Why is fear/charm not in game for the benefit of CC classes yet SK's get a free refresh timer instead of waiting it out? I see major exploitation here. Kill Group A, die at your bind to fresh HT, go pwn Group B with the same Harm Touch... Umm?

4. Pure melees are going to receive it in the butt to a single earth elemental pet because they can't channel. Come on guys, you all have seen how earth pet root lasts 18-24 seconds, GG.

5. Solution: Make the pumice one charge, pillage enchantment, instant cast and lore. If a pet is on you, you can pell your root and maybe get away with some jboots and strafing.

6. This also adds more dynamic to DOT classes, remember these before you could have a million fukn pumices to pell all their dots?? Maybe druid/necro damage will be viable for once and you actually have to use STRATEGY to determine when you want to burn your pumice. Or hey maybe you actually have to mem the cast version of dispell instead of going to your 24 pumices in Bag 1,2, and 3???

7. Nullify Magic pumice is in fact more stupid because it has 5 charges, is super CHEAP, and you can have as MANY as you want. So let me get this straight, you guys would rather have a bard cast x10 nullify magics on you on the run rather than one pillage enchantment? Dumb much?

8. For the sake of Classic, let it be classic. Get rid of this "dynamic pvp system," let immy healing/bind rushing/corpse camping/etc etc be in the game because they were in on live and they added their OWN dynamic.

9. QQ Less, L2P Better.

Sounds like your are QQ'in up a storm here. Practice what you preach and you might be taken serious son.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by fiegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like your are QQ'in up a storm here. Practice what you preach and you might be taken serious son.

Why don't you quit trolling and post some viable feedback/opinions?

You and your band of pals do nothing but cry about how this server shouldn't be classic.

Also, I play a bard, pumice doesn't affect me too much and in fact makes it HARDER for me to fight people. Instead of QQing about it, I support it because it was classic and added a great dynamic to pvp.

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

Let's not limit our view of this issue to only the first week or two of launch.

2. I just don't get how GM's can make some ridiculous shit in game while not put other ridiculous shit in. For instance, SK Harm Touch refresh on death?

Insta-cast pumice cheapens every single PvP fight every time everywhere. You're not going to be guaranteed of a SK HT bind rushing you down every single time you engage in PvP. That said, I wouldn't mind making HT timer persist after death. No one's really arguing that so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.

3. Why is fear/charm not in game for the benefit of CC classes yet SK's get a free refresh timer instead of waiting it out? I see major exploitation here. Kill Group A, die at your bind to fresh HT, go pwn Group B with the same Harm Touch... Umm?

Hey man you can't make #3 just a rewording of #2, you're breaking the rules of ordered lists! See above.

4. Pure melees are going to receive it in the butt to a single earth elemental pet because they can't channel. Come on guys, you all have seen how earth pet root lasts 18-24 seconds, GG.

Get resists, play better, etc. There's solutions to this but no solution to the cheapness of insta-pumice.

5. Solution: Make the pumice one charge, pillage enchantment, instant cast and lore. If a pet is on you, you can pell your root and maybe get away with some jboots and strafing.

I don't care if egg shaped pumice is lore and 1 cast, but now we're entering the territory of completely altering items just for the hell of it. There's no point in putting a custom item in when you can just go camp golem wands.

6. This also adds more dynamic to DOT classes, remember these before you could have a million fukn pumices to pell all their dots?? Maybe druid/necro damage will be viable for once and you actually have to use STRATEGY to determine when you want to burn your pumice. Or hey maybe you actually have to mem the cast version of dispell instead of going to your 24 pumices in Bag 1,2, and 3???

This is where it gets interesting because you're starting to argue against your own stance on insta-pumice.

7. Nullify Magic pumice is in fact more stupid because it has 5 charges, is super CHEAP, and you can have as MANY as you want. So let me get this straight, you guys would rather have a bard cast x10 nullify magics on you on the run rather than one pillage enchantment? Dumb much?

Sure, because he just wasted at least half a minute doing that.

8. For the sake of Classic, let it be classic. Get rid of this "dynamic pvp system," let immy healing/bind rushing/corpse camping/etc etc be in the game because they were in on live and they added their OWN dynamic.

If you don't like the dynamic PvP system, there's a thread for that, and this one isn't it. Try to stay on topic with your inane rambling.

9. QQ Less, L2P Better.

Good advice.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's not limit our view of this issue to only the first week or two of launch.



Insta-cast pumice cheapens every single PvP fight every time everywhere. You're not going to be guaranteed of a SK HT bind rushing you down every single time you engage in PvP. That said, I wouldn't mind making HT timer persist after death. No one's really arguing that so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.



Hey man you can't make #3 just a rewording of #2, you're breaking the rules of ordered lists! See above.



Get resists, play better, etc. There's solutions to this but no solution to the cheapness of insta-pumice.



I don't care if egg shaped pumice is lore and 1 cast, but now we're entering the territory of completely altering items just for the hell of it. There's no point in putting a custom item in when you can just go camp golem wands.



This is where it gets interesting because you're starting to argue against your own stance on insta-pumice.



Sure, because he just wasted at least half a minute doing that.



If you don't like the dynamic PvP system, there's a thread for that, and this one isn't it. Try to stay on topic with your inane rambling.



Good advice.

Thank you for some viable feedback unlike the other trolls in this thread.

First off, however, I have to disagree with some of your points. Your main argument is that an egg-shaped pumice is "cheap." You stated that because of the "cheapness" of an egg-shaped pumice it shouldn't be in game. First off, Everquest was NEVER a game of balance, that's what made it good and retarded as hell at the same time. If we were arguing for the sake of "Cheapness," MANY and I mean MANY things shouldn't be in the game. For the sake of how things ran on classic, however, I have to argue that it should be in game. Shouldn't we be able to feel true nostalgia when playing EQ pvp? As others have stated, there are many great memories with "Cheap," things like egg-shaped pumice, charm, and fear. One of the stories that stood out most was charming some one and putting them under the water.

I don't think egg-shaped pumice should remain in the game for the entirety of the server, but at least should be a viable part of the game for a few months, I think the devs should just follow a SoE timeline, put in changes over time, a true progression server. Some things are just dumb about EQ, but a lot of it made it so there was strategy required. EQ pvp was almost never what you fools got used to on VZTZ. It was never having full raid buffs and ROFLstomping, it was strategy. And if egg-shaped pumice will combat those gank squads rolling with full raid buffs I say leave it in for now, you can always take it out later.

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for some viable feedback unlike the other trolls in this thread.

First off, however, I have to disagree with some of your points. Your main argument is that an egg-shaped pumice is "cheap." You stated that because of the "cheapness" of an egg-shaped pumice it shouldn't be in game. First off, Everquest was NEVER a game of balance, that's what made it good and retarded as hell at the same time. If we were arguing for the sake of "Cheapness," MANY and I mean MANY things shouldn't be in the game. For the sake of how things ran on classic, however, I have to argue that it should be in game. Shouldn't we be able to feel true nostalgia when playing EQ pvp? As others have stated, there are many great memories with "Cheap," things like egg-shaped pumice, charm, and fear. One of the stories that stood out most was charming some one and putting them under the water.

I don't think egg-shaped pumice should remain in the game for the entirety of the server, but at least should be a viable part of the game for a few months, I think the devs should just follow a SoE timeline, put in changes over time, a true progression server. Some things are just dumb about EQ, but a lot of it made it so there was strategy required. EQ pvp was almost never what you fools got used to on VZTZ. It was never having full raid buffs and ROFLstomping, it was strategy. And if egg-shaped pumice will combat those gank squads rolling with full raid buffs I say leave it in for now, you can always take it out later.

The problem though is that egg-shaped pumice totally negates an integral part of the game (buffs). Everything you've been comparing this to has just not been a fair comparison. For example, I'm totally cool with allowing charm and fear, because you have something you can do about it: resists, los, or interrupt. If you get charmed or feared it's because either your resists were lacking, you failed to interrupt a crucial spell, failed to get away, or you just got an unlucky resist roll. This is, in my opinion, in the spirit of the game. Landing a charm, being near water, and having the game prescience to /pet sit someone under water to drown them, although extremely powerful, is tactical. The person you charmed COULD have prevented their demise. But fear/charm isn't the topic of this thread, egg-shaped pumice is.

The problem is that egg shaped pumice completely removes any duration effects from the game. And there's nothing you can do about it. If you enter pvp with buffs, they're gone, instantly, guaranteed. Now, I know classes aren't balanced in PvP, but egg pumice throws the balance even more out of whack. When clerics / enchanters / shamans / any class that highly relies on duration effects were being conceptualized, the developers weren't thinking "well egg shaped pumice is in the game so we need to give these classes something to balance that out."

Example: If you roll a cleric, spend the time to level her up to 44, pay 12 platinum for a peridot, and expend 315 mana, you can bestow upon someone an additional 525 hp. This can be countered by any level 1 toting an egg shaped pumice, and they'll have charges left to spare.

Try to reason how that should be on this server.

Just because "EQ was never a game of balance" doesn't mean we have to put all kinds of crazy shit in that makes it less enjoyable for the vast majority.

[Sorath]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

2. I just don't get how GM's can make some ridiculous shit in game while not put other ridiculous shit in. For instance, SK Harm Touch refresh on death?

3. Why is fear/charm not in game for the benefit of CC classes yet SK's get a free refresh timer instead of waiting it out? I see major exploitation here. Kill Group A, die at your bind to fresh HT, go pwn Group B with the same Harm Touch... Umm?

4. Pure melees are going to receive it in the butt to a single earth elemental pet because they can't channel. Come on guys, you all have seen how earth pet root lasts 18-24 seconds, GG.

5. Solution: Make the pumice one charge, pillage enchantment, instant cast and lore. If a pet is on you, you can pell your root and maybe get away with some jboots and strafing.

6. This also adds more dynamic to DOT classes, remember these before you could have a million fukn pumices to pell all their dots?? Maybe druid/necro damage will be viable for once and you actually have to use STRATEGY to determine when you want to burn your pumice. Or hey maybe you actually have to mem the cast version of dispell instead of going to your 24 pumices in Bag 1,2, and 3???

7. Nullify Magic pumice is in fact more stupid because it has 5 charges, is super CHEAP, and you can have as MANY as you want. So let me get this straight, you guys would rather have a bard cast x10 nullify magics on you on the run rather than one pillage enchantment? Dumb much?

8. For the sake of Classic, let it be classic. Get rid of this "dynamic pvp system," let immy healing/bind rushing/corpse camping/etc etc be in the game because they were in on live and they added their OWN dynamic.

9. QQ Less, L2P Better.

I have to agree 100% with Darksinga and anyone who does not agree disagree's and is unagreeable to my degree of agreeing.

IT SEEMS THERE ARE UNKNOWN FORCES AT WORK HERE BENDING THE WILL OF THE CLASSIC EVERQUEST RULEST,ITEMS CLEARLY, FEAR CLEARLY, CHARM CLEARLY.

[dusk883]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

As a casual player, I'll have 100pp before I hit level 5. Not being able to afford multiple pumice isn't going to be an issue for most.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is going to have 100 plat to blow on multiple pumices, most likely you will have around one, and you won't be able to even get one till around level 30 with you blowing all your money on spells, armor, etc...

2. I just don't get how GM's can make some ridiculous shit in game while not put other ridiculous shit in. For instance, SK Harm Touch refresh on death?

3. Why is fear/charm not in game for the benefit of CC classes yet SK's get a free refresh timer instead of waiting it out? I see major exploitation here. Kill Group A, die at your bind to fresh HT, go pwn Group B with the same Harm Touch... Umm?

4. Pure melees are going to receive it in the butt to a single earth elemental pet because they can't channel. Come on guys, you all have seen how earth pet root lasts 18-24 seconds, GG.

5. Solution: Make the pumice one charge, pillage enchantment, instant cast and lore. If a pet is on you, you can pell your root and maybe get away with some jboots and strafing.

6. This also adds more dynamic to DOT classes, remember these before you could have a million fukn pumices to pell all their dots?? Maybe druid/necro damage will be viable for once and you actually have to use STRATEGY to determine when you want to burn your pumice. Or hey maybe you actually have to mem the cast version of dispell instead of going to your 24 pumices in Bag 1,2, and 3???

7. Nullify Magic pumice is in fact more stupid because it has 5 charges, is super CHEAP, and you can have as MANY as you want. So let me get this straight, you guys would rather have a bard cast x10 nullify magics on you on the run rather than one pillage enchantment? Dumb much?

8. For the sake of Classic, let it be classic. Get rid of this "dynamic pvp system," let immy healing/bind rushing/corpse camping/etc etc be in the game because they were in on live and they added their OWN dynamic.

9. QQ Less, L2P Better.

1) You're a moron, plat is ridiculously easy to get on p99, anyone who cares can have 1000s by lvl 10.

2) Prenerf treant fists must be added for classic immersion sake! Also, every dupe that existed at the time. Got be 100% classic ya dig?

3) Again, make sure i can dupe all my gear and crash zones at will, gotta be 100% classic, no room for anyone to make intelligent choices on what is or is not healthy for the server amirite?

4) You're really really fucking dumb.

5) That you even think pets are an issue at the high end is mind boggling. Seriously, how bad are you? You think root is going to land once people have gear? You expect GMs to make custom items based upon your droolcup retard views on how the server will pan out?

6) Egg shaped pumice... cheaper and better at removing dots, add strategy how?

7) Yes, because any competent player, which you've again clearly displayed that you are not, will have instaclicks to stop that scenario from happening. Clearly what you'd prefer is having monk/rogue/sk rule the server killing anyone/anything with bags full of egg shaped. Let me know how much you enjoy playing a bard when any sk with half a brain figures out he can just click it every 3 seconds when your selos lands and autoattacks you to death.

8) It's buggy now, but guess what? It's beta. Deal with it. GMs are fixing it as they go along on their free time.

9) You're the guy who posted about how experience was too slow on beta while playing a bard. Once you're level 2 you can straight up ding lvl 10 in one pull.

You're that bad.