Interesting post, and a warning..

[Softcore PK]

It's not at all a stretch to imagine this server being destroyed by the VZTZ crowd. They've already done it to 3+ incarnations of emulated eq pvp play...

[Atmas]

I really wish we could have the population for multiple servers. I think everyone wants to play the ruleset they did on live for years.

There is no point in thinking you are going to eliminate the griefers. They represent a pretty die hard and large segment of the population. Honestly with bind camping being legal and xp deaths this environment kind of fosters them.

[Sorath]

PVP is ludacrwisss !!!
Reweesee Red 99 I wanna eat ur childrensss!!!

[Rust1d?]

This pvp server will start fine but will end up bad if the players act like a bunch of fucking retards. Players need to:

1) Not hack/cheat - There is no reason to hack/cheat on a 13 year old games emulated pvp server. This is the main reason why servers fail.

2) Stop whining - if your guild got shit napped by another in fear, live with it and go do something else. No reason to have a 4 hour shit storm involving GM's who could be better servered helping people with legit problems.

3) Stop griefing - If you kill someone, say GF and move on. I cannot tell you how good it was to have a very close 1v1 fight with someone, win and end up being friends. I did not corpse camp him, I did not /tell him how much he sucked. I said, GF, you can come get your body.

4) If you die, deal with it - It is a pvp server, you die LEGIT - deal with it. If you suspect hacks, report it to a GM and have them look into it.

5) No training - Accidents happen, that is understandabe. But repeated trains (see sojourner in K&B) is completely retarded. Go do something else if you cannot win legit.

There are probably more but these are the basics. If the players just followed these steps, the server could be great. If not, it will be complete shit in a matter of months.

[Bockscar]

Who is Uthgaard

Uthgaard was one of the server's GMs up until a few months ago. He was basically the server police, dealing with everything negative and keeping people under control. He was a blunt, abrasive bastard which made it difficult to deal with him if you weren't one of the troublemakers yourself, but a blunt bastard was what the server needed, and he was the right guy to do it. You don't keep a bunch of asshole players under control with nice words. That's why he would be perfect for a PvP server. As far as I can tell, he quit because the head GMs refused to permaban the 365 players who were caught hacking a few months back, giving them a more lenient punishment instead because they didn't want to delete that many accounts.

As for this server, it'll be better than VZTZ. There'll be many more players, and the majority won't be from VZTZ which was a fairly small and insular server with a tight-knit (if volatile) community. They had a kind of hivemind and it was accepted and expected for people to behave in a certain way. With many more players who weren't part of that, this server will be different. There will still be a lot of dicks around, but they won't ruin the server unless the GMs neglect their duties and allow them to do so. The anti-hacking measures alone should prevent the biggest problem that VZTZ had. A good chunk of the VZTZ players won't stick around when it turns out leveling takes months and griefing is not met with unanimous praise and circlejerk high-fives. Some of the VZTZers can function fine in a more civilized environment and mostly enjoyed that server's atmosphere as a kind of hobby where they could get away with all kinds of shit. Others were unintelligent assclowns outside of the game too, so just make note of these (they're very recognizable) and ignore them.

[Khurak]

A couple of thoughts on the subject.

EQ is, has been and will be a PvE game.

If you want only PvP, try DAoC, Warhammer, Aion, Prime on Line (Beta still at this stage) or a couple of others where you have in game mechanics for PvP rewards/gloating (RPs, PvP levels, some kind of yellow text or leader boards, specific gear and so on).

Begging to make EQ a similar game is not even close to classic (which i understand Red99 is trying to be).

Here PvP will be a mean to control zones and ressources (ie Phat Dragon loot) without having to poopsock and /petition for Ubah BP loot rights or because SoandSo had FTE.

It should also be a lot of fun but NOT an MMO version of an FPS game.

Please don't pour some FPS in my EQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[pickled_heretic]

you can't ever expect people to act differently than what they are. every single "society should" or "we should" or "this group should" that has ever been uttered has been a complete waste of breath. leadership and discipline will come from above or it will not come at all.

[Rust1d?]

Then the admins will simply shut down the project. The people misbehaving in general is what kills the servers. I have never hacked/cheated, not sure why others need to. If people want to come here to "re-live" classic EQ, why ruin it?

[ChubbyBubbles]

Originally Posted by Khurak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of thoughts on the subject.

EQ is, has been and will be a PvE game.

If you want only PvP, try DAoC, Warhammer, Aion, Prime on Line (Beta still at this stage) or a couple of others where you have in game mechanics for PvP rewards/gloating (RPs, PvP levels, some kind of yellow text or leader boards, specific gear and so on).

For the rest of us who have always played eq on a non-carebear server. EQ is a pvp game. Always has been. Pve is just the reason to do the pvp.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Khurak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of thoughts on the subject.

EQ is, has been and will be a PvE game.

If you want only PvP, try DAoC, Warhammer, Aion, Prime on Line (Beta still at this stage) or a couple of others where you have in game mechanics for PvP rewards/gloating (RPs, PvP levels, some kind of yellow text or leader boards, specific gear and so on).

Begging to make EQ a similar game is not even close to classic (which i understand Red99 is trying to be).

Here PvP will be a mean to control zones and ressources (ie Phat Dragon loot) without having to poopsock and /petition for Ubah BP loot rights or because SoandSo had FTE.

It should also be a lot of fun but NOT an MMO version of an FPS game.

Please don't pour some FPS in my EQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

daoc was probably the most "carebear" pvp game ever. segregated pvp/pve areas, plenty of safe zones to level, all pvp was consensual, etc. but it also had pvp as the main focus of the game. you can make a set of rules that can do both.