Game Mechanics: Melee PvP on boats, but no spell casting!

[Softcore PK]

I say let melee continue working on boats. Melee classes waiting below deck is very much classic and was almost never a huge problem (exceptions for RZ item loot, I'm sure). Every caster class but cleric receives the see invis spell, and clerics have the defense and weapon skills to put up something of a fight with just melee, anyway. Especially buffed. In most cases, dying to hidden rogues below deck will be because the proper precautions were not taken. This is not true for casters that don't have seen invis, but at those levels casters generally dominate the melee (naked wiz > naked rogue) everywhere else.

The idea of safe areas really bothers me, even if it is just on boats. I'll be going druid or cleric on live, btw :P

[AffEcT]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

clerics have the defense and weapon skills

What weapon skills are you talking about?
I dont think a cleric can out dps any melee with out spells? Clerics dont even have bash in classic. Keep dreaming :P

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by AffEcT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What weapon skills are you talking about?
I dont think a cleric can out dps any melee with out spells? Clerics dont even have bash in classic. Keep dreaming :P

I've known some very good battle clerics in my time. It is a shame that clerics won't have bash, which was of course a huge benefit, but here they will find a good 2hb weapon and joust like a pro. Of course they'll lose most of the time on boats, but at least they can put a big dent in those hp :P

[SoulLeech]

Either make an earnest effort to "fix" the game by opening up every aspect of to tweaking and re-balancing or leave it alone.

Selectively quashing the more quaint and relatively inconsequential aspects of EQ's hilariously broken PVP while leaving the broader issues alone is just silly.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by SoulLeech [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Selectively quashing the more quaint and relatively inconsequential aspects of EQ's hilariously broken PVP while leaving the broader issues alone is just silly.

Inconsequential? Really? So getting attacked on a boat and getting killed out in the middle of nowhere in OOT and having to waste CSR time retrieving that corpse for someone is inconsequential? When it can easily be avoided by disabling it in the first place?

If there were places where casters could cast but melee could not fight back at all there would a huge outcry.

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inconsequential? Really? So getting attacked on a boat and getting killed out in the middle of nowhere in OOT and having to waste CSR time retrieving that corpse for someone is inconsequential? When it can easily be avoided by disabling it in the first place?

If there were places where casters could cast but melee could not fight back at all there would a huge outcry.

Like the sky when they levitate? Just sayin...

[SoulLeech]

Originally Posted by Dontmez_Mebro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like the sky when they levitate? Just sayin...

Beat me to it.

EQ PVP is full of immensely broken shit with far more application than this zone and match-up specific complaint.

Now, lets proceed with idiotic analogies, nonsensical comparisons and discussion of specific and counters strategies interspersed with "WUT U MAD? LEV 2 HARD FOR U?".

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inconsequential? Really? So getting attacked on a boat and getting killed out in the middle of nowhere in OOT and having to waste CSR time retrieving that corpse for someone is inconsequential? When it can easily be avoided by disabling it in the first place?

If there were places where casters could cast but melee could not fight back at all there would a huge outcry.

Why would you waste CSR time getting your corpse? That's not CSR's job - it's your job to get your own corpse unless it's a bug that's disallowing you from getting it. I don't know how things worked on VZTZ but here GM's don't just retrieve corpses for players because their corpse runs might take too long.

[Darwoth]

leave it how it is imo, that is how it was on classic and it added a certain dynamic (sometimes good, sometimes bad)

more rules/restrictions is never a good thing, why eliminate the possibility of 2 dozen eyepatch faced lowbies taking over the boat etc.