thinking about rolling a warrior

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by kobexbloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+25 into STR

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

To be fair, he said he only played them to lvl 20, so he didn't have any to begin with. Level 50 is probably the minimum you should play a character to before you give any advice. I played a war to 50 at release, when dual wielding langseax was cool, and I recently played one to 50 on Fippy Darkpaw from scratch. Both were barbies. Not for slam, but just because I like how they look in plate.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

i noticed that the only characters that could complete raid content had 25 points higher into stamina than the other players must be why

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

you're saying that on one hand the only thing that matters is endgame stamina while admitting on the other hand that factors other than endgame stamina play a role in character creation.

orwell had a term for this, he called it doublespeak

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're saying that on one hand the only thing that matters is stamina while admitting on the other hand that factors other than stamina play a role in character selection.

orwell had a term for this, he called it doublespeak

i can't tell if you're just a flamer or trying to refute what i said. you didn't offer any evidence, so flamer it is.

but what i said is that stamina is the stat to raise since the rest will be capped end-game. i clearly state that if you're a min/maxer, the only stat to raise is STA the comparison to other stats was to highlight that that applied equally to both casters and tanks/melee.

if you don't have any intention on raiding or end-game comment, put them wherever you please. you could max the int on your wood elf warrior and practically noone would know the difference in crushbone.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i can't tell if you're just a flamer or trying to refute what i said. you didn't offer any evidence, so flamer it is.

but what i said is that stamina is the stat to raise since the rest will be capped end-game. i clearly state that if you're a min/maxer, the only stat to raise is STA.

if you don't have any intention on raiding or end-game comment, put them wherever you please. you could max the int on your wood elf warrior and practically noone would know the difference in crushbone.

my evidence is your argument. you said "you're wrong, the only thing that matters is stamina" and then you admitted halfway through your argument that you picked a subpar race for warrior due to its pathetic stamina. being able to sneak and hide doesn't help much in raid content. even if your point about being a small race is a valid one (and it's not, because you can get shrunk any time you're in a raid if you really need it), you still could have picked a dwarf.

[Samoht]

you didn't say that at all before, so you're a flamer that when pushed is capable of forming a coherent thought

ok

i actually do agree that dorf is the better race for base-line stats, but innate invis isn't a stat, so you're comparing apples to oranges

comparing dark elf stam to halfling stam would be a valid argument, and halfling clearly wins by 10 there, but my real decision came from sneak because i remember doing the velius ring quests on live while on giant faction. the ability to interact with any NPC in the game independent of faction is huge.

i played a dorf rogue on live, and that's what i made my comparison too when starting. they get sneak at level 1, so it's a non-factor.