almost 80 people in fear

[Zexa]

Originally Posted by Samuel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

IB keeps claiming they had a right to Draco because we went under 15 men for a couple minutes. Why wasn't fifteen minutes called on us as soon as your raid force showed up? Why isn't north wall an acceptable place to stage for Draco? FB was the first in the zone with 15 and clearing for Draco, why doesn't this give us the mob?

The logic behind it is mostly that if you are fighting towards a raid mob and wipe, you are no longer the guild in the most capable position to kill the mob if another guild is waiting behind you in line.

As for the rest, I don't know the situation so I can't say more than the north wall sounds like a slow way to do it, but whatever floats your boat. I thought the north wall was only brought up regarding it being trained.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Zexa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The logic behind it is mostly that if you are fighting towards a raid mob and wipe, you are no longer the guild in the most capable position to kill the mob if another guild is waiting behind you in line.

As for the rest, I don't know the situation so I can't say more than the north wall sounds like a slow way to do it, but whatever floats your boat. I thought the north wall was only brought up regarding it being trained.

Yes but as I said before, the way the rules are currently implemented there is nothing stopping guild B from KS-ing guild A the moment any single person out of guild A's 15 dies.

If guild A is given the half hour warning (which they should be given in such a case) then they should be able to use those full 30 minutes. I have seen raids half wipe plenty of times before a boss was killed. It doesn't matter if there are only 7 people left standing when the boss dies as long as they had the 15 to claim it and get the half hour warning. Unless of course Guild A asks for help or says we give up, it's all yours (before their timer is up).

[Zexa]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes but as I said before, the way the rules are currently implemented there is nothing stopping guild B from KS-ing guild A the moment any single person out of guild A's 15 dies.

If guild A is given the half hour warning (which they should be given in such a case) then they should be able to use those full 30 minutes. I have seen raids half wipe plenty of times before a boss was killed. It doesn't matter if there are only 7 people left standing when the boss dies as long as they had the 15 to claim it and get the half hour warning. Unless of course Guild A asks for help or says we give up, it's all yours (before their timer is up).

Not really, because there are server rules about KSing. If the raid is engaged with the target and another group attacks and getts loot rights then that would be KSing by most people's definition.

My example: Fish Bait engaging Draco last week after Trans took him to about 10% with 8 people still in zone.

The purpose of the arbitrary 15 person raid force is to give us a clear definition on when you can claim the mob. But to your point of a raid force dropping below 15 people, I suppose it is being translated different depending on which side of the incident you were on.

I believe you see the problem here when you read the part of the raid rules that state, "If a raid force is at the raid target and you begin gathering your own forces you are required to give the raid for that was there first a grace period of 30 minutes."

But there is also: "[B]Q: What is a raid force?[/B]
A: For technicalities sake we will define a raid force as a gathering of 15+ people."

I wasn't there, don't know what happened. I'm just wasting some time at work reading the drama and that's how I understand it. Sounds like there was a "technicality." I can personally tell you that IB's leadership does try to engage in communication with competing raids to make sure both sides are on the same page.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Zexa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My example: Fish Bait engaging Draco last week after Trans took him to about 10% with 8 people still in zone.

You are dumb. They got him to 56% when his HP stopped moving and they had 5 in zone.

We charged in and slain him.

[Wonton]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are dumb. They got him to 56% when his HP stopped moving and they had 5 in zone.

We charged in and slain him.

They have the right to the mob until every last single person of Trans dies. Why can't you follow rules? The mob even died and there were STILL Trans in zone, alive.

[Modus]

Originally Posted by Wonton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have the right to the mob until every last single person of Fish Bait dies. Why can't you follow rules?

Amen. Ban yourself.

[Armin34]

Originally Posted by Wonton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have the right to the mob until every last single person of Trans dies. Why can't you follow rules? The mob even died and there were STILL Trans in zone, alive.

Coming from the guy who trained and broke fishbait's mezzes. What a fucking moron.

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Armin34 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coming from the guy who trained and broke fishbait's mezzes. What a fucking moron.

you mean after salty trained and put blaine in a death loop and deleveled him to 47? ok pal

[Finawin]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are dumb. They got him to 56% when his HP stopped moving and they had 5 in zone.

We charged in and slain him.

Grats! You just admitted to ksing while Trans hadn't even wiped yet.

[Audacious93c]

Originally Posted by Finawin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grats! You just admitted to ksing while Trans hadn't even wiped yet.

You obviously havent been around Salty, or should I say Tyen on the FoH boards for a while. You just got trolled hard for believing that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]