Poll item looting or no?

[Spud]

Since i'm one of those guys who played on RZ 11 years ago, I'd like to see item loot. I want the chance to be able to loot an FBSS off some poor guy, I want to take my melees on the pilgrimage to Lower Guk to get some bad ass NO DROP shin armor like I remember doing in the old days.

I haven't played on any of the emu PVP servers so I'll admit I have no idea what it takes to make a good emu PVP server. I understand what you guys are saying how item loot unbalances PvP against melees, could scare away potential blues etc. EverQuest PvP was by no means perfect on live servers (lol), I'm sure there are many ways PvP could be improved, so I'm open to whatever system we end up going with. However, I would like to see some sort of item loot in place because it's just fun. Who gives a shit if you loose some platinum. You kill and NPC you loot something, you kill a PC you should loot something!

Let's make a compromise since it was different on all the classic pvp servers, I don't see why we can't design our own item loot system similar to the Altergate method that Rushmore suggested. Maybe find away so people's manastones will be safe like Pudge suggested.

[Humerox]

Nilbog voted for item loot...sooooooo....

help the melees out a bit tho wit the unequipped thing...

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[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nilbog voted for item loot...sooooooo....

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It's just my opinion. It looks like I'll have to make a new forum account when I want to give my opinion, or it's taken as definitive server rules. :P

I thought, given the option, people would want hardcore pvp instead of a normal pvp/coin server they've had the option of for years.

I see it as like playing football with two hand touch instead of tackle. For eqlive pvp I played on rallos zek, and from what I understand, only 1 version of vztz was item loot. That was the era I played there. I also had a lvl 25 on mortalquest and wasn't afraid of dying.

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The #1 most important thing is population, and itemloot ensures a significantly lower population than non-itemloot. It's not guaranteed that an itemloot server would have a population so low that the server isn't playable, but we also have to be realistic - more than 300-400ish players is highly unlikely, and if itemloot cuts that in half, we'd approach critical mass. Look how completely dead and pointless blue99 is in the morning when there's like 200 people online. Itemloot stacks the problems on top of each other - not only does it become almost prohibitively difficult to play melee and even more appealing to play necro/magician/druid (which is already like 50% of blue99's pop), it also ensures a lower population which is what harms melee players the most as they won't be able to level consistently. VZTZ was considered hugely popular and it had what, 100-200ish at its peak? That was with two-boxing. If we have 300+ without itemloot or 200ish with itemloot, then that's gonna be something like 100 or 50 during euro times. We do want a server that's popular enough that we can actually play the game outside a 4-hour US-centric peak timespan.

That is a lot of assumptions, and they are based from vztz. I played there, and would have stopped if it wasn't item loot. I quit before it converted to coin only, and it wasn't due to the server being hardcore.

What I have learned from eqemu from when I started developing p99 till now, is that people try to predict the future.. and they are certain of things in their own minds. You do not speak for everyone.. and the people who speak the loudest usually do not make up the majority. No offense intended.. but you can't predict the future. 90% of the 'popular vote' determined p99 would have 50 players max, and would not last a month. I did it anyways, despite the fallacious ms. cleos.

I've given my opinions.. which are just that, opinions. If I was playing on the server, I would like a challenge. Since there were pvp servers with different rulesets, I am not pressing my opinion into definitive rules for the server.

I am just /disappoint in the lack of manliness.

$manliness--;

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[Jessie]

Item loot up to level 30 or 40 would be cool imo

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just my opinion. It looks like I'll have to make a new forum account when I want to give my opinion, or it's taken as definitive server rules. :P

I knew it was an opinion, lol. I was just hoping that the weight of staff opinion would push at least a compromised item loot into the game.

There has been an influx of new people advocating item loot, so we'll see.

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't take that insult ppl who play mages...

You couldn't have ever played on a real PvP server, because mages were mediocre at best. With some notable exceptions, most of the VZTZ crew is probably going to get owned in the face because they are used to BS mechanics.