Raiding on P1999

[Nizzarr]

We're enjoying the current raid environment as it is. Mob variance is good, everyone in both raiding guilds has to commit lots of time in tracking and mobilizing. Whoever said that you just need scores of poeple to raid on this server is ignorant. Theres a lot more to it than that and if you dont want to spend time in this game you dont deserve the spoils. We work hard in TMO to get those kills and TR works hard too.

Work harder and youll get raid mobs too. or you can try and whine about a rotation on forums, that sure is less time intensive.

As far as Veeshan's peak goes, I'm sure both guilds and the management will come to a decent agreement.

[Nivar Quartz]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're enjoying the current raid environment as it is. Mob variance is good, everyone in both raiding guilds has to commit lots of time in tracking and mobilizing. Whoever said that you just need scores of poeple to raid on this server is ignorant. Theres a lot more to it than that and if you dont want to spend time in this game you dont deserve the spoils. We work hard in TMO to get those kills and TR works hard too.

Work harder and youll get raid mobs too. or you can try and whine about a rotation on forums, that sure is less time intensive.

As far as Veeshan's peak goes, I'm sure both guilds and the management will come to a decent agreement.

This pretty much sums it all up, nice job for once nizzar, once.

Oh except the part about TMO and TR and management working out a rotation for VP, or agreement, funny how you start compromising once Vp gets locked for the asshattery that's been going on.

Honestly who can't use twitter/batphones and camp out raidbuffed, ur no more committed than any of the other raid guilds, you'll just go to farther lengths ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor.

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Nivar Quartz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

Except that other capable guilds aren't going to feel obligated to honor a rotation that excludes them. You know what that would lead to, lol. It has happened before. Yes?

[Zenlina]

Originally Posted by Nivar Quartz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh except the part about TMO and TR and management working out a rotation for VP, or agreement, funny how you start compromising once Vp gets locked for the asshattery that's been going on.

Honestly who can't use twitter/batphones and camp out raidbuffed, ur no more committed than any of the other raid guilds, you'll just go to farther lengths ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor.

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

O i want to bash on div so bad right now but its against my guild policy so will try keep it civil. Div has been on the server pretty much the longest, yet you guys are not at the top of the heap. Being around quite a while would mean you have more experience with the raid scene and better solutions to get the bosses yet havent. This to me would mean either your guild management is bad or the leadership is bad. Plus please stop speculating about tmo/tr since we never deal with you guys in over 5 months.

"ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor" - You get this info 2nd/3rd hand from forums?? This is what i mean speculation, unless you deal with either guilds direct (On the raid scene) try to not throw it out there like that.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Zenlina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O i want to bash on div so bad right now but its against my guild policy so will try keep it civil. Div has been on the server pretty much the longest, yet you guys are not at the top of the heap. Being around quite a while would mean you have more experience with the raid scene and better solutions to get the bosses yet havent. This to me would mean either your guild management is bad or the leadership is bad. Plus please stop speculating about tmo/tr since we never deal with you guys in over 5 months.

"ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor" - You get this info 2nd/3rd hand from forums?? This is what i mean speculation, unless you deal with either guilds direct (On the raid scene) try to not throw it out there like that.

One person from our guild said something you didn't like, and so you bash our whole guild? How would you feel if this standard were applied to you?

edit: I edited most of my post out because it wasn't very civil. Let's all try to be civil, please

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One person from our guild said something you didn't like, and so you bash our whole guild? How would you feel if this standard were applied to you?

edit: I edited most of my post out because it wasn't very civil. Let's all try to be civil, please

i agree people should be civil but the crap you guys base your assesment of TR/TMO is straight up forum troll asshatery.. its annoying to keep hearing.. oh TMO and TR people have no life thats y they get teh loots..

its just old and its obvious that people that want to play a certain way play that way and theres nothing wrong with that.. if your a casual raiding guild your not going to get HARDCORE raid targets.. sans a server wipe.

[anthony210]

Originally Posted by Zenlina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O i want to bash on div so bad right now but its against my guild policy so will try keep it civil. Div has been on the server pretty much the longest, yet you guys are not at the top of the heap. Being around quite a while would mean you have more experience with the raid scene and better solutions to get the bosses yet havent. This to me would mean either your guild management is bad or the leadership is bad. Plus please stop speculating about tmo/tr since we never deal with you guys in over 5 months.

"ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor" - You get this info 2nd/3rd hand from forums?? This is what i mean speculation, unless you deal with either guilds direct (On the raid scene) try to not throw it out there like that.

Guys, this thread is not about any particular guild. If a rotation is out of the question then so be it, there are other ways we can work together.

One of them being to remove variance and camping rules. Make it 100% FTE with no variance. This is how it was in classic.

Variance right now rewards the guild that can have a tracker up 24/7 for 4 days in a row. I never said the top guilds poopsocked, even though at some points in server history they did. What they do is have trackers on at all hours, not every guild can do that or wants to do that and is no where near how classic was.

And once again these are just idea's there is no need to go flaming each other, or talk shit about each others guilds. If you have an idea post it, if you want to comment fine but leave the flaming out. This is not rants and flames.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by anthony210 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of them being to remove variance and camping rules. Make it 100% FTE with no variance. This is how it was in classic.

I don't really like variance because it's not classic. However, as I said in my previous post the variance is most likely beyond our control, and was instituted for a reason.

If we were to remove it, and raid mobs were 100% FTE I think it would be even less fun for everybody, because as previously pointed out, there are about 4 or 5 guilds at most targets with auto attack on, sitting at a mobs spawn point spamming cycle nearest npc, 200 people would zerg the mob, and a petition would have to go in for every mob over who got FTE. Not exactly ideal/classic either unfortunately.

It's the playerbase that is most unclassic about this server.

[anthony210]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really like variance because it's not classic. However, as I said in my previous post the variance is most likely beyond our control, and was instituted for a reason.

If we were to remove it, and raid mobs were 100% FTE I think it would be even less fun for everybody, because as previously pointed out, there are about 4 or 5 guilds at most targets with auto attack on, sitting at a mobs spawn point spamming cycle nearest npc, 200 people would zerg the mob, and a petition would have to go in for every mob over who got FTE. Not exactly ideal/classic either unfortunately.

It's the playerbase that is most unclassic about this server.

Less fun? Perhaps. But it would be classic and give any guild there atleast a shot at getting the kill. Unlike now where if you are not camped out at the boss ready to log in soon as you get a batphone you are not going to kill shit unless you get lucky on a patch day respawn. Why should people be forced to camp out their main characters at a spawn point? Why cant we all just know when the boss is going to spawn like it was in classic so we can show up at that time?

The reason spawn variance was put in almost a year ago was because we had guilds sitting on spawn points over 24 hours in advance and using server rules to claim the spawn. Instead of simply changing the server rules to allow for FTE regardless of how long your guild has been sitting there, the developers decided to put in spawn variance. Which totally screwed over any smaller guilds from attempting to compete with larger more hardcore guilds.

If you want to kill something show up at a raid boss when its due to spawn and you will have a shot at FTE.

[Nebi]

Make every mob banish TR/TMO members.