Questioning GM Decisions

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, we know you have this fairness crusade to get TR raid suspended for two weeks, but that really isn't the topic of this thread at all. In fact, you're proving the OP's point by not going through the proper channels for it.

Of course it is. The rules are the rules and they should be enforced equally across the board. Your own guild is ignoring it's own rules as stated by your guild leader on these very boards. Development is completely ignoring the rules they put into place. You are also allowing the cheaters to re-app, and if they are part of the officer clique, they will enjoy plvling to get them back leading your raids ASAP. This has been proudly proclaimed in solidarity with your "pals".

I don't care what guild you are in. I don't care who your friends are. Rules and punishments have no bias. They are supposed to apply to everyone equally, regardless. 365 accounts caught cheating should = 365 accounts banned. Raid leaders caught cheating during a competitive raid should = raid suspension for offending guild. This should apply to any guild on the server. Period. No exceptions.

Apparently your guild cares more about loot than it's integrity. This was not always what IB claimed it stood for. Why yuor membership continues to circle the wagons is perplexing. Your reputation is in the toilet and you're just digging a deeper hole by defending your leadership who either knew about it or were too stupid to not realize it was happening right under their nose.

This thread is about HOW/WHERE you go about questioning GM decisions and how that affects the overall health of the server - it is not the place to actually DO that.

Start a new thread for this discussion if you honestly want it to go anywhere, instead of cluttering up this surprisingly constructive thread.

This thread is about Hasbinbad trying to sweep this under the rug because the facts surrounding the situation are incredibly embarrassing to his guild. I can guarantee if the roles were reversed and a TMO Officer was caught red handed using a 3rd party hack lile Perun was, HBB would be creating thread demanding TMO be disbanded immediately and Durison tarred and feathered.

The cheaters who will be joining us again soon won't be cheating anymore. They'll be caught and permanently removed if they do it again, since we know the staff can detect it. Does everyone agree that they should be able to play again? No. Are they going to be? Yes. Were there more variables to the staff's decision than most players probably realize? Most definitely.

This is a joke right? We're supposed to take you at your word? A guild who's raid leader cheats? A guild who's leader put people in positions of leadership who cheat? There is no possible way you can guarantee this. The only way to guarantee these cheaters never cheat again is to ban their accounts permanently. Problem solved.

Why you are associating yourself with people who cheat and are now defending them on the boards speaks volumes. Nobody gives a crap if they are "Your homeys". As far as the non cheating community is concerned, they are a disgrace.

[booter]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is about Hasbinbad trying to sweep this under the rug because the facts surrounding the situation are incredibly embarrassing to his guild. I can guarantee if the roles were reversed and a TMO Officer was caught red handed using a 3rd party hack lile Perun was, HBB would be creating thread demanding TMO be disbanded immediately and Durison tarred and feathered.

Just because you see everything on this server as TR vs TMO does not make it so. This thread has had a lot of great discussion, and your personal attacks and paranoia do nothing but edge it closer to RnF. By your logic, I could argue that you are trying to derail the thread to get it into the dead-end known as RnF so any discussion that doesn't fit your narrative disappears.

Nice job with all of your generalizations about every member of TR, though. At least it makes your intentions transparent.

I'll re-iterate - the thread is not about what YOU want it to be about. The OP was clearly laid out, you either need to re-read it or admit to being intellectually dishonest and just using it as a soapbox.

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you see everything on this server as TR vs TMO does not make it so. This thread has had a lot of great discussion, and your personal attacks and paranoia do nothing but edge it closer to RnF. By your logic, I could argue that you are trying to derail the thread to get it into the dead-end known as RnF so any discussion that doesn't fit your narrative disappears.

Hyperbole. You're completely ignoring every other guild on this server that is not TMO/TR that has spoken out against this ruling.

Nice job with all of your generalizations about every member of TR, though. At least it makes your intentions transparent.

You're defending your guild whose leadership was caught using a 3rd party hack. Guild disband. Denounce the corruption and prove me wrong then.

I'll re-iterate - the thread is not about what YOU want it to be about. The OP was clearly laid out, you either need to re-read it or admit to being intellectually dishonest and just using it as a soapbox.

The OP is about how HBB wants it to be about. This isn't cold war east germany. Many people disagree. Whether you can accept that or not is no problem of mine, but yours.

[Enygmad]

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Love,

Sworen

[booter]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyperbole. You're completely ignoring every other guild on this server that is not TMO/TR that has spoken out against this ruling.

I'm not ignoring anyone.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're defending your guild whose leadership was caught using a 3rd party hack. Guild disband. Denounce the corruption and prove me wrong then.

I'm not defending anyone aside from Rogean/Nilbog. I haven't even explicitly stated whether or not I think the bans should be permanent because I am undecided. Again, you're generalizing and seeing things you want to see. You are under the assumption that everyone in TR wants to welcome Perun back, which is certainly not that case.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP is about how HBB wants it to be about.

Thank you. Maybe you'll re-read what he said and stay on track instead of turning this thread into a crusade. (Hint: he says to make a new post for that, and use the proper channels)

[Eternal-Elf]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Hint: he says to make a new post for that, and use the proper channels)

bahahahaha. MODERATOR HASBIN has SPOKEN!

[booter]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bahahahaha. MODERATOR HASBIN has SPOKEN!

Yeah, it's unthinkable to stay on topic in one of the rare, useful threads.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bahahahaha. MODERATOR HASBIN has SPOKEN!

Nilbog save us from Mods w/ an agenda

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not ignoring anyone.

Really? Then why did you try to make this into TR vs IB? The only thing I care about are the rules. Either they mean something or they don't. You are a part of this community just as I am. Do the rules matter to you? If you're competing against a rival guild and they are hacking and taking mobs from you, how would that make you feel? Are you going to just "suck it up and keep quiet"?

I'm not defending anyone aside from Rogean/Nilbog. I haven't even explicitly stated whether or not I think the bans should be permanent because I am undecided. Again, you're generalizing and seeing things you want to see. You are under the assumption that everyone in TR wants to welcome Perun back, which is certainly not that case.

Why is the door even open for him to come back? I would like nothing more than Rogean to make an announcement which states the following:

"After further review, we will be permanently banning all accounts that were caught using 3rd party hacks. In the special circumstance where an officer/raid leader of a raiding guild was caught using this program during competitive raids, we will also be raid suspending the offending guild for a period of 2 weeks."

People are acting like this would be outrageous. That's how far in the gutter this server has been dragged through by this mess. It was a critical mistake not to perma ban these accounts.

Thank you. Maybe you'll re-read what he said and stay on track instead of turning this thread into a crusade. (Hint: he says to make a new post for that, and use the proper channels)

If you mean by a crusade for development to be consistent and enforce the rules they put in place, than you're welcome. We wouldn't even be having this disagreement if Perun wasn't caught hacking. Actions have consequences. Instead of attacking everyone else, why aren't you blaming him? Instead your guild is accepting him back. Will plvl him with AOE groups, and fully fund his account with guild bank stash.

Are you telling me you're ok with that?

[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Koota (known hacker/showeq user, caught using hacks to benefit his guild in a raid environment) was unbanned, and welcomed back into Durison's guild. Just sayin'.

Love,

Sworen