Questioning GM Decisions

[Skope]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's annoying that such a huge positive (a legitimate method of hack prevention) is being turned into a negative because people like to complain or create drama.

It's not complaining and it's not drama. Many of us feel like they dropped the ball when they could have done far more, and we, the non-hacking playerbase, have been handed the short end of the stick considering how lenient the punishments were in comparison to those that have been dished out before and even what the rules themselves state. Throw in some of the other recent decisions, or lack thereof, and you've got a boiling pot that's spilling over. The feud between the devs certainly didn't help, but it's also something that's not new to P99 (it's happened before and this one has gone on for the better part of a year)

This last decision, the one regarding the cheaters, was so bad that I called it quits.

As I said, the staff will make mistakes just as the community will -- we're all human. Sometimes the mistakes are the players' not abiding by the rules (an extreme would be using a third-party program) and sometimes the staff's mistake is not enforcing the rules (the extreme of playing favorites or not banning third-party program-using players).

It's their decision and it's their server. Fine. That's something we all knew going in. But when creating p99 the staff felt there were some cardinal sins that simply were unforgivable -- the rules. But when joining p99, I too felt there were some things that the were unforgivable -- hence rules. Both the staff and the players were expected to abide by them. My interpretation and their interpretation meshed and I joined this server. Had I known how things would go down since then I wouldn't have joined over a year ago. I myself have wavered and I've perhaps broken a dumb rule here and there (I admit I've RnF'd a bit in GC =P and I've trained my guild once or twice. It's hard pulling fear as a wizard), but I never committed a cardinal sin, because had I done it I'd expect to be shown the door. The staff too has made some silly decisions over that time, but I feel they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

Nothing emotional, no sissy shit. I walked away from the game and am offering to walk away from the forums if they feel they're not changing their minds on that single, and admittedly rather important, decision.

As for HBB: it sort of transcends the forum rules at this point, dude. Do you think me telling nilb0g that i quit in a private message because they made this decision would even warrant a response at all? At least he's reading it, and you know what? I'm glad everyone else is as well.

[Nineran]

Here Here to the OP, well said.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not complaining and it's not drama. Many of us feel like they dropped the ball when they could have done far more, and we, the non-hacking playerbase, have been handed the short end of the stick considering how lenient the punishments were in comparison to those that have been dished out before and even what the rules themselves state. Throw in some of the other recent decisions, or lack thereof, and you've got a boiling pot that's spilling over. The feud between the devs certainly didn't help, but it's also something that's not new to P99 (it's happened before and this one has gone on for the better part of a year)

This last decision, the one regarding the cheaters, was so bad that I called it quits.

As I said, the staff will make mistakes just as the community will -- we're all human. Sometimes the mistakes are the players' not abiding by the rules (an extreme would be using a third-party program) and sometimes the staff's mistake is not enforcing the rules (the extreme of playing favorites or not banning third-party program-using players).

It's their decision and it's their server. Fine. That's something we all knew going in. But when creating p99 the staff felt there were some cardinal sins that simply were unforgivable -- the rules. But when joining p99, I too felt there were some things that the were unforgivable -- hence rules. Both the staff and the players were expected to abide by them. My interpretation and their interpretation meshed and I joined this server. Had I known how things would go down since then I wouldn't have joined over a year ago. I myself have wavered and I've perhaps broken a dumb rule here and there (I admit I've RnF'd a bit in GC =P and I've trained my guild once or twice. It's hard pulling fear as a wizard), but I never committed a cardinal sin, because had I done it I'd expect to be shown the door. The staff too has made some silly decisions over that time, but I feel they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

Nothing emotional, no sissy shit. I walked away from the game and am offering to walk away from the forums if they feel they're not changing their minds on that single, and admittedly rather important, decision.

As for HBB: it sort of transcends the forum rules at this point, dude. Do you think me telling nilb0g that i quit in a private message because they made this decision would even warrant a response at all? At least he's reading it, and you know what? I'm glad everyone else is as well.

These issues have a method to getting dealt with, and you along with others in your group are using alternative means which are not worth the ends to settle them. Stop going around saying negative things about the server which may or may not be true (I'm not arguing the veracity of your claims) in a way which is detrimental to p99. Do it using the outlined method or go away. You're driving away new and old players, many of which are innocent of the cheating which you despise so much.

I didn't cheat, why try to ruin my fun?

The above statement can be made by the entire server's population minus 365 minus your group of rabble-rousers.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These issues have a method to getting dealt with, and you along with others in your group are using alternative means which are not worth the ends to settle them. Stop going around saying negative things about the server which may or may not be true (I'm not arguing the veracity of your claims) in a way which is detrimental to p99. Do it using the outlined method or go away. You're driving away new and old players, many of which are innocent of the cheating which you despise so much.

I didn't cheat, why try to ruin my fun?

The above statement can be made by the entire server's population minus 365 minus your group of rabble-rousers.

I'm not trying to ruin your fun, I'm hoping that there's a glimmer of hope left in mine. I'm trying to extend the length of time you'll have fun here. You make it sound as my motives are selfish. Really? And rabble-rousing would have been me going all RnF up in this bitch; quite clearly i'm not.

Furthermore, sending the GMs a PM and telling them that I quit because 'you guys dun' fucked up', or even being eloquent and reasonable about it doesn't make any sense and I can almost guarantee you there'd no be action. I actually believe Nilb0g when he says he doesn't care if there's 2 or 2,000 players online. From what I've gathered I'm not too sure I can say that about any of the other members of the staff

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to ruin your fun, I'm hoping that there's a glimmer of hope left in mine. I'm trying to extend the length of time you'll have fun here. You make it sound as my motives are selfish. Really? And rabble-rousing would have been me going all RnF up in this bitch; quite clearly i'm not.

My fun does not rest on whether or not XYZ players get banned or not. It does not rest on a server reset. It does not rest on whether or not it is made public that ABC players disagree with staff for whatever reasons.

The GM's have made their decision. You stating that it is not final yet does not make it not final. Your options are to deal with their decision, escalate your grievance with the decision in the approved manner, or leave. It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore, sending the GMs a PM and telling them that I quit because 'you guys dun' fucked up', or even being eloquent and reasonable about it doesn't make any sense and I can almost guarantee you there'd no be action. I actually believe Nilb0g when he says he doesn't care if there's 2 or 2,000 players online. From what I've gathered I'm not too sure I can say that about any of the other members of the staff

If you use the approved method to bring your grievance regarding the decision and are not satisfied with the outcome, I would say maybe starting a signature-stye petition involving some number of players. If that does not bring you the outcome you want, figure some other way within the rules to raise your complaints. If that doesn't work, you should either learn to live with it or leave.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My fun does not rest on whether or not XYZ players get banned or not. It does not rest on a server reset. It does not rest on whether or not it is made public that ABC players disagree with staff for whatever reasons.

The GM's have made their decision. You stating that it is not final yet does not make it not final. Your options are to deal with their decision, escalate your grievance with the decision in the approved manner, or leave. It's really that simple.

If you use the approved method to bring your grievance regarding the decision and are not satisfied with the outcome, I would say maybe starting a signature-stye petition. If that does not bring you the outcome you want, figure some other way within the rules to raise your complaints. If that doesn't work, you should either learn to live with it or leave.

I've stated the question in GC threads before and they haven't responded and I'll do it again + i'll even PM him about it in case they didn't read it. That cool? So let's debunk your crap once more.

Are you guys currently considering withdrawing the current punishment in favor of something more harsh with respect to the 365 accounts that were caught cheating? A simple yes or no is enough for me.

My fun doesn't depend on people getting banned, but I expect certain rules to be followed -- from both parties. Not abiding by those rules doesn't mean i won't have fun, in fact it means that I'll willingly leave.