Bob's Perfect World- A wall of text regarding the raid scene on P99

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by mokfarg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GMs just need to make a rotation sign up on the website and be done with it. Like others said, there could be rewards and penalties on whether or not you succeed or wipe.

If rotation is broke, then the guild that breaks it pays the consequence of being taken out of rotation for a time period or permanently. Just do it and end all of the whining.

What would the rules be on level 60 alt raid guilds? Would they be exempt or are they allowed to be on the rotation because all it will take is people leveling up/buying alts to have multiple armies/guilds and still be able to effectively make getting trakanon impossible still.

Plus, rotations are beyond dumb.

[Nivar Quartz]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would the rules be on level 60 alt raid guilds? Would they be exempt or are they allowed to be on the rotation because all it will take is people leveling up/buying alts to have multiple armies/guilds and still be able to effectively make getting trakanon impossible still.

Plus, rotations are beyond dumb.

This is the normal response from the top/top2 guilds at the inception of a rotation, and common sense through a solid rotation counsel would most surely shun attempts for alt < Sudden new raiding guilds > from exploiting the system, people/guilds will try to buck the system at first, but with solid leadership and agendas left at the door it would work perfectly.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would the rules be on level 60 alt raid guilds? Would they be exempt or are they allowed to be on the rotation because all it will take is people leveling up/buying alts to have multiple armies/guilds and still be able to effectively make getting trakanon impossible still.

Plus, rotations are beyond dumb.

Like I said, the easiest way to work around this is to allow guilds to rotate on mobs that they've already killed before, except on server repops. Really server repops are the only way of meritocratically determining what guilds are worthy of killing certain bosses since they're unpredictable and require actual mobilization (as opposed to sitting on spawn points or having your entire guild camped out near a raid mob).

[wrxBRAH]

Bobs idea works. If you're going to have a Play nice policy and bs like first to engage here, shouldnt it work for any guild clearing trash to get to the boss? Let the vultures fight it out and eventually they'll form a pecking order imo.

These guilds play for loot and if they cant have loot, they'll start to reconsider the way they behave with each other.

[Duie]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would the rules be on level 60 alt raid guilds? Would they be exempt or are they allowed to be on the rotation because all it will take is people leveling up/buying alts to have multiple armies/guilds and still be able to effectively make getting trakanon impossible still.

Plus, rotations are beyond dumb.

How is rotation bullshit if it slows progression down, Eleviates burnout turnover and minumizes GM intervention?

Is it only bullshit because you guys would accually have to start caring about the rest of the servers population to get what you want?

i guess I as many others on P99 were not on a "classic" server in your eyes

look at it like this. If We in the Semi Casual raiding guilds allied together to force a rotation. what could you do about it? before you answer that, check the numbers of VD,Divinity, BDA, And Taken. Right now it is not to our best intrest to poopsock ,But if thats what it takes to get you guys to start talking, well We out number Both TMO and TR in manpower, Timezone and Telephones. and Im not just talking Trak either.

And To be Fair TR is the only guild that comes into a zone and tells everyone else to get out. TMO (in most cases) comes in and tries to atleast come up w/ a comprimise to get what they want.

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look at it like this. If We in the Semi Casual raiding guilds allied together to force a rotation. what could you do about it? before you answer that, check the numbers of VD,Divinity, BDA, And Taken. Right now it is not to our best intrest to poopsock ,But if thats what it takes to get you guys to start talking, well We out number Both TMO and TR in manpower, Timezone and Telephones. and Im not just talking Trak either.

And To be Fair TR is the only guild that comes into a zone and tells everyone else to get out. TMO (in most cases) comes in and tries to atleast come up w/ a comprimise to get what they want.

A) Do it, I would love to see TR or TMO get our shit stomped in by a casual uprising, but you and I both know it's never gonna happen. You all have lives/GF's/Ferraris/Cocaine that are more important.

B)TR has never gone into a zone and demanded people to leave. We might say something about us pulling a mob and to be careful to not die to it.

[Nivar Quartz]

Again, once more, this isn't just about TR and TMO. the list would comprise of about 5-7 raiding guilds over Sev, Tal, Gor, Trak, CT, Draco, Inny, maybe Fay, Vox and Naggy on a minor sub list.

The only reason TR and TMO wouldn't agree to a rotation is really elitist attitudes and really not caring about overall server health in general, not meaning to be rude to either guild, but tell me some other reason with common sense facts and I'll take those statements back.

If you came up on a non rotation server, this rotation probably sounds dumb, but i'm sure you've seen the ramifications of poopsocking, training, rule lawyering ect. How many guilds really could be on the list?

Tr
TMO
Taken
Divinity
VD
BDA
Miscief?

Sorry if i left anyone off, its late.


And honestly, as cool as it would be for the last 5 to be able to tooth and gear up for VP, its not even in consideration in this discussion, so just drop the VP talk.

Another thing to consider is if when guilds like Tr and TMO work out rotation alliances, they are also gearing key classes and friends in other guilds to help them in VP like clerics, DPS, ect. Food for thought really, your long term goals could be advanced alot smoother with an rotation at this point.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Nivar Quartz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, once more, this isn't just about TR and TMO. the list would comprise of about 5-7 raiding guilds over Sev, Tal, Gor, Trak, CT, Draco, Inny, maybe Fay, Vox and Naggy on a minor sub list.

The only reason TR and TMO wouldn't agree to a rotation is really elitist attitudes and really not caring about overall server health in general, not meaning to be rude to either guild, but tell me some other reason with common sense facts and I'll take those statements back.

If you came up on a non rotation server, this rotation probably sounds dumb, but i'm sure you've seen the ramifications of poopsocking, training, rule lawyering ect. How many guilds really could be on the list?

Tr
TMO
Taken
Divinity
VD
BDA
Miscief?

Sorry if i left anyone off, its late.


And honestly, as cool as it would be for the last 5 to be able to tooth and gear up for VP, its not even in consideration in this discussion, so just drop the VP talk.

only way those guilds get into a rotation is if the GMs enforced it.

TR and TMO could do a rotation on those if they agreed between themselves and no one would be the wiser. Will we? no. Those mobs don't need a rotation.

The only mob that could possibly need a rotation atm would be Trakanon, and that's only to combat the small chance that he rides out his entire window.

The main thing is a possible rotation on VP. That is very dependent on how it is set up. If the zone has an independent variance for every target, a rotation is pointless and TMO/TR will hardly ever step out of VP again and soon both would probably burn out enough people to fill 2 raid guilds. If it is set to spawn all mobs at once, then TMO and TR could do a rotation of sorts to combat the clusterfuck of racing inside at the same time.

Talking about a rotation for every god/dragon is pointless with the entire server imo. TR and TMO go hard against each other non-stop and it gets overboard at times. However, I don't see either guild, much less both, just stepping aside for every guild to come walk in like it's Christmas.

PS. A rotation between TMO & TR would only benefit them and the GMs. (on VP)

P.P.S I don't see a rotation ever happening. It will 99% sure enough be a clusterfuck between TR/TMO.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only way those guilds get into a rotation is if the GMs enforced it.

the GMs talked a lot about not caring about the population and not giving 2 shits about the top 2 guilds or any guilds on the server, but if anyone thinks this to be even remotely true anymore (and i highly doubted that it ever was) is lying to themselves.

The guides/GMs dont mind showing up to TR/TMO altercations week in and week out and they never settle it. Sometimes they boot 1 guild out of the zone, the next week they give a week suspension to someone training. Though they claimed they wanted them to work it out on their own it never actually happened. I cant recall a single time where Uth or Rogean ported into seb after getting a petition (or 500 of them and only 2-3 that are actually legible), saw the dumbasses sitting there and said "eff you, im deleting the loot and he's not spawning for a week until you get this shit settled." THAT is the hallmark of a GM not giving 2 shits and actually wanting to take a step back and not be involved in their BS. This doesn't happen and it has never happened. That's what i've meant by pandering.

You can also approach this in a different way:

Single out the guilds/people responsible for not wanting to come to agreements and not giving in a little bit so you, the staff, can get the raiders out of your hair.

This has already been pointed out, but Rogean backtracked on a promise of enforcing rule(s) that the players agreed to during the poopsock. Granted all the rules were pretty garbage back then, the one rule in particular actually made poopsock somewhat fair

[Duma]

I cant recall a single time where Uth or Rogean ported into seb after getting a petition (or 500 of them and only 2-3 that are actually legible), saw the dumbasses sitting there and said "eff you, im deleting the loot and he's not spawning for a week until you get this shit settled." THAT is the hallmark of a GM not giving 2 shits and actually wanting to take a step back and not be involved in their BS. This doesn't happen and it has never happened. That's what i've meant by pandering.

"If we don't get the kill no one gets the kill. We'll be here every week to contest and get it depopped".

It's happened before.