Item loot from a casual players perspective.

[Bardalicious]

Oh boy... rushmore trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

RZ had a huge following. 30 people? Ha ha fucking ha. I assure you if there was a legit RZ recreation that not only would it be successful but that it would pull a large population.

Stop impressing your VZTZ logic'd opinions onto the fate of Red99. Let me ask you something. If item loot is such a deterrant to get people to join a server, why was RZ one of the most popular PVP servers? Also, why was Discord, a server that not only raped you in the ass with deleveling you to 1 on any PVP or PVE death but ALSO included item loot ALSO so popular?

Believe it or not - people like a challenge. It produces an adrenaline rush, just like the OP was insinuating. It is addictive. The weak do not survive, that is true. But then, if you're going to rage quit because I stole a fucking pair of gatorscale sleeves from you, you don't belong in PVP anyways. The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. It's been discussed to fucking death already. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you that were afraid of the challenge. End of story.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this server ever does release there will be 60-100 people on during max hours.

Dude, just stop posting here, please. You're a fucking embarrassment to us PVPers.

[Crenshinabon]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you

This.
This also won't happen as much with less extreme penalties.

I also would not say that the Anti PKs did not love to fight. I was an "anti" and I fkin loved to fight. It was awesome to always /who and see if there were any known PKs in the zone. I just felt like there was a playstyle difference. I just did not like to own everyone I saw. It was fun to go against each other in this manner.

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try 300-400 concurrent for 4-5 months

False. After 3 boxing 2 boxing etc what was the population?

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

Yep, it was. The anti-PK mindset was pretty exclusive to RZ, and I doubt that it will be given birth on this server without item loot. XP loss may come close, but unless it is substantial, it wont matter. Especially if a cleric is allowed to rez PVP deaths.

Instead we'll see the same old EMU PVP. Everyone killing anything that moves without any substantial penalty on death. No real reason to band together and form alliances except for end-game raiding. I am disappointed that I'll likely not relive the rush that was early RZ. I was fairly confident Nilbog would come through and make the server that I know he loved as well, but it doesn't look that way any more.

[Rushmore]

Bard it won't work. Once again I'm not against it. I just know it won't work for past experience on emu not 12 years ago. No one wants a bigger caster population than there will already be. No one wants naked PVP battles. If you don't respect my opinion fair enough. But every Major Vztz vet has spoken the same thing.

There is NO reason to play without a healthy population.

And it will be END OF STORY if item loot is in once the server goes live.

[Crenshinabon]

I am still confident in the devs ability to make an awesome server. And I will play it nonetheless. Especially considering it will be classic xp rates and hopefully lots of people will want the same thing and play. Just givin my input on item loot hoping to maybe sway~ I know that item loot is hard mode, but if anyone can do it these guys can. I also feel like this would be the most fun and people just don't realize it.

Nil and Rogean know their shit. They been producing it for years and could probably even identify it by smell alone. Now to just throw pvp into the mix. Everyone else will come flocking just to see their shit.

Make it happen!~

Edit: Just thought maybe try item loot in beta? See if people like it. If not, knock it down to coin or xp death or whatever else you want.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still confident in the devs ability to make an awesome server. And I will play it nonetheless. Especially considering it will be classic xp rates and hopefully lots of people will want the same thing and play. Just givin my input on item loot hoping to maybe sway~ I know that item loot is hard mode, but if anyone can do it these guys can. I also feel like this would be the most fun and people just don't realize it.

Nil and Rogean know their shit. They been producing it for years and could probably even identify it by smell alone. Now to just throw pvp into the mix. Everyone else will come flocking just to see their shit.

Make it happen!~

I just want a good successful server too mate.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard it won't work. Once again I'm not against it. I just know it won't work for past experience on emu not 12 years ago. No one wants a bigger caster population than there will already be. No one wants naked PVP battles. If you don't respect my opinion fair enough. But every Major Vztz vet has spoken the same thing.

There is NO reason to play without a healthy population.

And it will be END OF STORY if item loot is in once the server goes live.

You are stating your "opinions" as if they are fact. You are worse than an idiot. At least idiots hold their own opinions. You flip flop and get behind whatever you perceive to be the "popular" opinion to try to fit in with the VZTZ crowd, which by the way, has and never will accept you because you're a fucking terrible player.

I base MY opinion on many years of an ACTUAL server. Rallos Zek was successful. Discord was tremendously successful, even despite rampant hacking. Far more than the shitty servers these "VZTZ Vets" hail from. You disqualify yourself from contributing opinions because previous Emu boxes ALL FAILED. Open your fucking eyes for once in your life, you fucking fool.

These people are asking for a server that will last. VZTZ and other Emu boxes have shown, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that they do not last. It seems the only thing we learn from history is that we DO NOT learn from history.

Stop acting like such a spineless pussy. Item loot adds a completely new element to the PVP scene, and even someone like you will adapt over time. Casters ALWAYS have the upper hand in PVP at the start of a server, yet as I'm sure someone like Knuckle can tell you, they falter and fail in the end. You have no valid argument. Stop using the same "omg it will hurt the population" argument because it is BASELESS. I don't give a shit if 10 other "VZTZ vets" are as spineless about real PVP as you are, it doesn't validate nor give proof to your opinion.

The early years of Rallos Zek and subsequently Discord was some of the most fun I've ever had in any game I've ever played. The rush behind potentially losing gear and potentially gaining it as well is well beyond putting into words. Of course, you'll never experience this because you've got tunnel vision and would rather play the same bullshit copy-n-pasted VZTZ8.0123.1 server.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are stating your "opinions" as if they are fact. You are worse than an idiot. At least idiots hold their own opinions. You flip flop and get behind whatever you perceive to be the "popular" opinion to try to fit in with the VZTZ crowd, which by the way, has and never will accept you because you're a fucking terrible player.

I base MY opinion on many years of an ACTUAL server. Rallos Zek was successful. Discord was tremendously successful, even despite rampant hacking. Far more than the shitty servers these "VZTZ Vets" hail from. You disqualify yourself from contributing opinions because previous Emu boxes ALL FAILED. Open your fucking eyes for once in your life, you fucking fool.

These people are asking for a server that will last. VZTZ and other Emu boxes have shown, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that they do not last. It seems the only thing we learn from history is that we DO NOT learn from history.

Stop acting like such a spineless pussy. Item loot adds a completely new element to the PVP scene, and even someone like you will adapt over time. Casters ALWAYS have the upper hand in PVP at the start of a server, yet as I'm sure someone like Knuckle can tell you, they falter and fail in the end. You have no valid argument. Stop using the same "omg it will hurt the population" argument because it is BASELESS. I don't give a shit if 10 other "VZTZ vets" are as spineless about real PVP as you are, it doesn't validate nor give proof to your opinion.

The early years of Rallos Zek and subsequently Discord was some of the most fun I've ever had in any game I've ever played. The rush behind potentially losing gear and potentially gaining it as well is well beyond putting into words. Of course, you'll never experience this because you've got tunnel vision and would rather play the same bullshit copy-n-pasted VZTZ8.0123.1 server.

Bardalicious is a complete oxy moron pay him no mind. I doult the noob will even have the balls to play pvp..