Item loot from a casual players perspective.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man I really doubt that.
There are a fkton of people waiting on this server.
Even VZTZ Emu back in the day had more than you are saying.

Stop being such a troll/downer. Damn.

And reading your wanted rules, keeping ooc serverwide in. I now officially discredit you.
Also why do you even need to put in FFA in planes? Do I need to even explain this?

A) the server probably won't happen. Especially since the chaos on the Blue Server has started.
B) there are a fukton of people waiting on the server? If there is!!! most will quit once they see it takes 2 days to level to 10. IF there is xp loss on pvp death much will quit sooner than that. If there is item loot most might not even play.
C)VZTZ max population was around 250...minus the two boxing,3 boxing etc going on....120ish? maybe.... and that didn't last for long

I'm not trolling you... And I'm sorry to be a downer but these are facts sir.

I really don't care about the rules I just want a server to play on but many like me who have played on vztz for the past 4 years know what works and what doesn't.

FFA for planes just cus once Kunark rolls someone 54 should be able to kill a 45 rez box in Fear, etc. (if the +/- 8 pvp range, etc)

[Salty]

C)VZTZ max population was around 250...minus the two boxing,3 boxing etc going on....120ish? maybe.... and that didn't last for long

try 300-400 concurrent for 4-5 months

[Bardalicious]

Oh boy... rushmore trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

RZ had a huge following. 30 people? Ha ha fucking ha. I assure you if there was a legit RZ recreation that not only would it be successful but that it would pull a large population.

Stop impressing your VZTZ logic'd opinions onto the fate of Red99. Let me ask you something. If item loot is such a deterrant to get people to join a server, why was RZ one of the most popular PVP servers? Also, why was Discord, a server that not only raped you in the ass with deleveling you to 1 on any PVP or PVE death but ALSO included item loot ALSO so popular?

Believe it or not - people like a challenge. It produces an adrenaline rush, just like the OP was insinuating. It is addictive. The weak do not survive, that is true. But then, if you're going to rage quit because I stole a fucking pair of gatorscale sleeves from you, you don't belong in PVP anyways. The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. It's been discussed to fucking death already. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you that were afraid of the challenge. End of story.

[Crenshinabon]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you

This.
This also won't happen as much with less extreme penalties.

I also would not say that the Anti PKs did not love to fight. I was an "anti" and I fkin loved to fight. It was awesome to always /who and see if there were any known PKs in the zone. I just felt like there was a playstyle difference. I just did not like to own everyone I saw. It was fun to go against each other in this manner.

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

Yep, it was. The anti-PK mindset was pretty exclusive to RZ, and I doubt that it will be given birth on this server without item loot. XP loss may come close, but unless it is substantial, it wont matter. Especially if a cleric is allowed to rez PVP deaths.

Instead we'll see the same old EMU PVP. Everyone killing anything that moves without any substantial penalty on death. No real reason to band together and form alliances except for end-game raiding. I am disappointed that I'll likely not relive the rush that was early RZ. I was fairly confident Nilbog would come through and make the server that I know he loved as well, but it doesn't look that way any more.

[Rushmore]

Bard it won't work. Once again I'm not against it. I just know it won't work for past experience on emu not 12 years ago. No one wants a bigger caster population than there will already be. No one wants naked PVP battles. If you don't respect my opinion fair enough. But every Major Vztz vet has spoken the same thing.

There is NO reason to play without a healthy population.

And it will be END OF STORY if item loot is in once the server goes live.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard it won't work. Once again I'm not against it. I just know it won't work for past experience on emu not 12 years ago. No one wants a bigger caster population than there will already be. No one wants naked PVP battles. If you don't respect my opinion fair enough. But every Major Vztz vet has spoken the same thing.

There is NO reason to play without a healthy population.

And it will be END OF STORY if item loot is in once the server goes live.

You are stating your "opinions" as if they are fact. You are worse than an idiot. At least idiots hold their own opinions. You flip flop and get behind whatever you perceive to be the "popular" opinion to try to fit in with the VZTZ crowd, which by the way, has and never will accept you because you're a fucking terrible player.

I base MY opinion on many years of an ACTUAL server. Rallos Zek was successful. Discord was tremendously successful, even despite rampant hacking. Far more than the shitty servers these "VZTZ Vets" hail from. You disqualify yourself from contributing opinions because previous Emu boxes ALL FAILED. Open your fucking eyes for once in your life, you fucking fool.

These people are asking for a server that will last. VZTZ and other Emu boxes have shown, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that they do not last. It seems the only thing we learn from history is that we DO NOT learn from history.

Stop acting like such a spineless pussy. Item loot adds a completely new element to the PVP scene, and even someone like you will adapt over time. Casters ALWAYS have the upper hand in PVP at the start of a server, yet as I'm sure someone like Knuckle can tell you, they falter and fail in the end. You have no valid argument. Stop using the same "omg it will hurt the population" argument because it is BASELESS. I don't give a shit if 10 other "VZTZ vets" are as spineless about real PVP as you are, it doesn't validate nor give proof to your opinion.

The early years of Rallos Zek and subsequently Discord was some of the most fun I've ever had in any game I've ever played. The rush behind potentially losing gear and potentially gaining it as well is well beyond putting into words. Of course, you'll never experience this because you've got tunnel vision and would rather play the same bullshit copy-n-pasted VZTZ8.0123.1 server.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also would not say that the Anti PKs did not love to fight. I was an "anti" and I fkin loved to fight. It was awesome to always /who and see if there were any known PKs in the zone. I just felt like there was a playstyle difference. I just did not like to own everyone I saw. It was fun to go against each other in this manner.

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

amen.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try 300-400 concurrent for 4-5 months

False. After 3 boxing 2 boxing etc what was the population?

[coki]

Ready for a True Story?

Once upon a time when EQ Live first came out, there was a server called Vallon Zek, In the beginning Vallon Zek was item/coin loot in pvp. It was fun and many people had fun times running around and quickly bagging all their gear asap when they were either outnumbered or the person after them was 6+ lvs higher, or they just finished killing a mob and had 50% hp or mana....Many people complained about the item loot, and Thus the Tallon Zek character transfer was born and for a week or 2 straight GM's had a server wide message on Vallon when you logged in that said something like " A new server Tallon Zek is being made with the same pvp rules as Vallon except coin loot only, If you would like to transfer your character over to that server please send a petition with w/e information it was, and we will transfer your character over within a day or two. ....Well it just so happens that around 3/4 the population of Vallon petitioned to have their chars moved over and so the GM's were like fuck that we are just going to make Vallon zek Coin loot only, and they did... The end

I personally had a lot of fun in the old days of Vallon Zek being item/coin loot, ...would i want to do that again? probably not..but it was a thrilling/heart-pounding experience nonetheless