Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Skope]

spud, if people are going to cheat on p99 by duping, SEQ/MQ it was always with the understanding that if caught, their bans would be permanent. No exceptions. You don't back down when 365 dickheads are caught in a net in one fell swoop and then pussy out because that's a really really big number.

Instead of purging the server of a massive number of people who'd thought they could take advantage you've given them a slap on the wrist and then welcomed them back. I've said this before, with the current punishment handed out to those original 365 accounts it actually paid off to cheat here for approximately 2 years. The argument that the new .dll file will mean this server is cleaner than fippy is all fine and dandy, but what the hell happened to the last ~2 years? with that ruling, i was asked, as well as the rest of the server, to forget about what happened before and to somehow excuse them because the GMs excused them. No thanks, i'd rather quit. i'm not playing on a server where the GMs are gonna be bossed around and bend in the severity of punishments because of mere numbers. It's your sandbox and it's your rules, but the way you apply them is ass backwards and that's not something that i want to be a part of or ever look forward to. Will it hurt the server by decreasing population? yes, but i'm pretty sure we can do without them. The point that you're missing is that this approach hurts the population even further when you consider how fucking stupid and ill-informed it was. A lot of people have quit a long time ago partly because they knew how bad it was and when it was finally addressed the GMs balked, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that this was too much to swallow.

If you don't agree with a GMs decisions you can bitch and moan, you can present your case and hope they'll see it. but when they let off 365 people they ask you, by continuing to play here, that you be just as forgiving. No. I quit

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

spud, if people are going to cheat on p99 by duping, SEQ/MQ it was always with the understanding that if caught, their bans would be permanent. No exceptions. You don't back down when 365 dickheads are caught in a net in one fell swoop and then pussy out because that's a really really big number.

Instead of purging the server of a massive number of people who'd thought they could take advantage you've given them a slap on the wrist and then welcomed them back. I've said this before, with the current punishment handed out to those original 365 accounts it actually paid off to cheat here for approximately 2 years. The argument that the new .dll file will mean this server is cleaner than fippy is all fine and dandy, but what the hell happened to the last ~2 years? with that ruling, i was asked, as well as the rest of the server, to forget about what happened before and to somehow excuse them because the GMs excused them. No thanks, i'd rather quit. i'm not playing on a server where the GMs are gonna be bossed around and bend in the severity of punishments because of mere numbers. It's your sandbox and it's your rules, but the way you apply them is ass backwards and that's not something that i want to be a part of or ever look forward to. Will it hurt the server by decreasing population? yes, but i'm pretty sure we can do without them. The point that you're missing is that this approach hurts the population even further when you consider how fucking stupid and ill-informed it was. A lot of people have quit a long time ago partly because they knew how bad it was and when it was finally addressed the GMs balked, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that this was too much to swallow.

If you don't agree with a GMs decisions you can bitch and moan, you can present your case and hope they'll see it. but when they let off 365 people they ask you, by continuing to play here, that you be just as forgiving. No. I quit

365 less people = less ad clicks = less server profit.

derp.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

365 less people = less ad clicks = less server profit.

derp.

it isn't 365 people. ACCOUNTS DO NOT = PEOPLE.


Its more likely closer to 100 people maybe 150. Most of those are probably ones that didn't do anything with the program because they play EZ server and messed up switching servers.

Prolly anywhere between 50-80 people that actually would be lost due to them getting banned that actually cheated. How many cheaters do you expect to actually click a banner ad as well? Knowing that they could get banned at any time.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it isn't 365 people. ACCOUNTS DO NOT = PEOPLE.


Its more likely closer to 100 people maybe 150. Most of those are probably ones that didn't do anything with the program because they place EZ server and messed up switching servers.

Prolly anywhere between 50-80 people that actually would be lost due to them getting banned that actually cheated. How many cheaters do you expect to actually click a banner ad as well? Knowing that they could get banned at any time.

The number really isn't the issue - think ya kinda missed the point.

Statistically, they'd lose money if they banned that many accounts.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The number really isn't the issue - think ya kinda missed the point.

Statistically, they'd lose money if they banned that many accounts.

The number is the issue, that's why they didn't ban them in the first place.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The number is the issue, that's why they didn't ban them in the first place.

Not quite sure I follow, but lets talk about the numbers then.

If they ban every one of those accounts, it's a good deal of potential profit that they may or may not lose.

If they don't ban any of them ever then P99 gets branded as a "classic EQ server that you can cheat on to get ahead", turning what i'd imagine would be even more people away from the server/turning away current good standing people that already play here.

Really they did the best thing in that aspect by allowing the one time '"grace period" for said accounts. Shows current/potential players that cheating isn't tolerated, while keeping the players of those 365 accounts around for more potential profit.

[deneauth]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Typically this type of violation results in a permanent ban. While we are furious that this many people chose to think we aren't serious about our rules, we also aren't willing to simply throw away that many accounts.

Allow me to shed some light. I understand what you are saying, but it still sounds to me like the number of offenses was the reason they were not getting permanent bans.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they don't ban any of them ever then P99 gets branded as a "classic EQ server that you can cheat on to get ahead", turning what i'd imagine would be even more people away from the server/turning away current good standing people that already play here.

Really they did the best thing in that aspect by allowing the one time '"grace period" for said accounts. Shows current/potential players that cheating isn't tolerated, while keeping the players of those 365 accounts around for more potential profit.

don't forget that the GMs get branded as being able to be pushed around by sheer number of cheaters.

don't forget the people that played under the notion that the rules applied to everyone equally, regardless of who they were or how many. With this ruling you couldn't have sent a clearer "no, they don't"

had i known these 2 things do you think i'd have joined this server in the first place? shit, nilbog/rogean could have spared me quite a bit of trouble from the start

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not quite sure I follow, but lets talk about the numbers then.

If they ban every one of those accounts, it's a good deal of potential profit that they may or may not lose.

If they don't ban any of them ever then P99 gets branded as a "classic EQ server that you can cheat on to get ahead", turning what i'd imagine would be even more people away from the server/turning away current good standing people that already play here.

Really they did the best thing in that aspect by allowing the one time '"grace period" for said accounts. Shows current/potential players that cheating isn't tolerated, while keeping the players of those 365 accounts around for more potential profit.

Looking at it as 365 accounts were all cheaters is one thing.

However, there is no telling how many where actually flagged because they left it on when they logged into p99 and never used it (meaning they didn't cheat with it). These were supposedly getting overturned. So the 365 accounts suspended is most likely not 365 suspended accounts for cheating, just 365 flagged accounts as possible cheaters (and some where).

Without actually having the numbers and knowing how many got over turned and what IP's had the most accounts as actual cheaters and so forth it's all speculation.

I don't think it is as bad as you say it is, and it's probably not as light as I say. I am sure it wouldn't hurt the server to see 100-150 actual cheating people leave the server. Especially seeing how they have said before that even if no one played on the server they would continue to develop p99.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

365 less people = less ad clicks = less server profit.

derp.

if it's about ad revenue then why ban anyone at all? ever? they're all potential and can chip in to the server funds.