More proof that server is going to hell

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it even allowed for a developer to be a guild leader? Should be only one or the other... not both.

Because obviously his contributions are valued, but he wants to play. If he's removed from Dev duty, the whole server loses out on his work and you pile more onto the plates of other Devs. But from everything I can tell, his status as guildleader is completely overblown. He was instrumental in the forming of IB but if you speak to any TR member about him, he never leads raids and his attendance is pretty low. A lot of members don't even know him. He's basically an honorary officer -- he's not the lead man like Bumamgar was in WI.

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because obviously his contributions are valued, but he wants to play. If he's removed from Dev duty, the whole server loses out on his work and you pile more onto the plates of other Devs. But from everything I can tell, his status as guildleader is completely overblown. He was instrumental in the forming of IB but if you speak to any TR member about him, he never leads raids and his attendance is pretty low. A lot of members don't even know him. He's basically an honorary officer -- he's not the lead man like Bumamgar was in WI.

It doesn't matter how much he plays. Personally I don't think a developer should be playing at all. It has to much potential to corrupt, you either do one or the other. There is a reason if you play D&D you don't play DM and a player.

Regardless of what Xzerion's real intentions were, if he didn't play the game (especially in the lead guild) then none of this speculation would have happened at all, because you would know his intentions were only to develop.

I would rather have a slower release of content then a chance that the server is corrupted by people who have power and who play the game.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter how much he plays. Personally I don't think a developer should be playing at all. It has to much potential to corrupt, you either do one or the other. There is a reason if you play D&D you don't play DM and a player.

Regardless of what Xzerion's real intentions were, if he didn't play the game (especially in the lead guild) then none of this speculation would have happened at all, because you would know his intentions were only to develop.

I would rather have a slower release of content then a chance that the server is corrupted by people who have power and who play the game.

Right, but it's not up to you and that's not really a reasonable request. Developing is a ton of work, and Xzerion is proven aid. The development team obviously feels they need his help, and that's all that matters.

The potential for corruption is mostly paranoia. He doesn't have access to GM ability or the database, and even his developer abilities are abridged. He's probably monitored more closely than anyone on P99. There's no real risk, which is why all the claptrap about Xz is largely swept aside by Nilbog and Rogean. They KNOW he's not using his position to his advantage, because they've made it so he can't.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, but it's not up to you and that's not really a reasonable request. Developing is a ton of work, and Xzerion is proven aid. The development team obviously feels they need his help, and that's all that matters.

The potential for corruption is mostly paranoia. He doesn't have access to GM ability or the database, and even his developer abilities are abridged. He's probably monitored more closely than anyone on P99. There's no real risk, which is why all the claptrap about Xz is largely swept aside by Nilbog and Rogean. They KNOW he's not using his position to his advantage, because they've made it so he can't.

You are incorrect, but stating this as fact. You should stop. 250 status on the development server was all that was necessary to gather that information. You can do this by using certain commands. Coincidentally. those commands were used, and in sufficient volume to get that information. No others, none of benefit to any development, none in any capacity that was not of direct interest to raiding. With 250 status, you can get hard values for everything, except the pathing. Coincidentally, the clone was touted as an exact copy, minus the pathing. Those are the facts.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are incorrect, but stating this as fact. You should stop. 250 status on the development server was all that was necessary to gather that information. You can do this by using certain commands. Coincidentally. those commands were used, and in sufficient volume to get that information. No others, none of benefit to any development, none in any capacity that was not of direct interest to raiding. With 250 status, you can get hard values for everything, except the pathing. Coincidentally, the clone was touted as an exact copy, minus the pathing. Those are the facts.

And coincidentally all that information could have been gathered without Xzerion's help since it was hit point / damage / abilities. Which is all over the place (with links in Nilbog's VP thread on these forums). You don't have to steal P1999's data to recreate a copy if you're both using the same sources.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And coincidentally all that information could have been gathered without Xzerion's help since it was hit point / damage / abilities. Which is all over the place (with links in Nilbog's VP thread on these forums). You don't have to steal P1999's data to recreate a copy if you're both using the same sources.

No, but it sure helps to know the differences in advance to know how to use them to your advantage until another guild gets in there and tries to do the same thing.

206.09[00:48] <Uthgaard> his 'this shit is too easy' is biased around giving them the advantage
207.09[00:49] <Uthgaard> has he given you a 'this shit is too easy' about the spot they're using to heal on trak from? puts the healers at zero risk
208.09[00:49] <Uthgaard> the threads in their forum confirm their motives. they tell you about it once tmo adopts it and start beating them at it. their forums confirm that whole ivandyr hoop thing being to fuck tmo over

[Ring]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, but it sure helps to know the differences in advance to know how to use them to your advantage until another guild gets in there and tries to do the same thing.

The log quote is incorrect though. TR doesn't use any spot where their healers don't get hit by Trakanon's AE. I've seen their Trakanon kills (and so have 80+ other people in the lair from TMO and various guilds, if there was such a spot it would have been made public). Seb isn't exactly a private zone, especially when Trak is about to spawn. TMO started using Ivandry's Hoops long before TR, by the way.

Regardless of the above, Uthgaard's charges against Xzerion were that he was using his dev status to recreate a copy of VP. Can we agree that the evidence he showed isn't enough to support his claim? You can keep jumping to new corruption claims against Xzerion, but let's do them one at a time.

I think Xzerion is a faggot by the way. I think his holier-than-thou act is old and trite and the fact that TR is letting its members who were caught cheating reapp (Perun is going to get turned down? Really? Why even bother with this farce) makes anything he has to say about integrity suspect.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are incorrect, but stating this as fact. You should stop. 250 status on the development server was all that was necessary to gather that information. You can do this by using certain commands. Coincidentally. those commands were used, and in sufficient volume to get that information. No others, none of benefit to any development, none in any capacity that was not of direct interest to raiding. With 250 status, you can get hard values for everything, except the pathing. Coincidentally, the clone was touted as an exact copy, minus the pathing. Those are the facts.

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Why in the world would P99 let staff have active accounts in game while their on development or Gms etc. that's just a bad idea.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are incorrect, but stating this as fact. You should stop. 250 status on the development server was all that was necessary to gather that information. You can do this by using certain commands. Coincidentally. those commands were used, and in sufficient volume to get that information. No others, none of benefit to any development, none in any capacity that was not of direct interest to raiding. With 250 status, you can get hard values for everything, except the pathing. Coincidentally, the clone was touted as an exact copy, minus the pathing. Those are the facts.

I understand what you're saying, and I don't mean to spout misinformation, but were the hard values he accessed any more comprehensive than those posted in Nilbog's VP thread? And you say he didn't do anything of developmental value, but didn't you say in the log that he made entries on the days you saw him in VP? So he had to have had something he was working on. If what he accessed was privileged information sufficient to recreate VP, and he was working on nothing relevant to that information, and TR actually recreated a correct P99-clone VP, how could Nilbog and Rogean ignore that? It doesn't add up. Something is missing, whether the information wasn't actually privileged, wasn't sufficient to recreate VP, or the hard values used by TR were incorrect (and thus not provided by Xz).