More proof that server is going to hell

[Kruel]

so its obvious uthgaard leakd this because we know nilbog didnt. Also WTF is this were GMs are hacking or reading(without permision) a raid guilds private forum. Guess now we know were tmo gets all there knowledge.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Kruel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so its obvious uthgaard leakd this because we know nilbog didnt. Also WTF is this were GMs are hacking or reading(without permision) a raid guilds private forum. Guess now we know were tmo gets all there knowledge.

This person is in TR, btw. The continual denial and attacks on Uthgaard coupled with the cries of innocent are only coming from TR members. Interesting, I wonder if there is a bias.

Also, learn the difference between their and there.

[superapan]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This person is in TR, btw. The continual denial and attacks on Uthgaard coupled with the cries of innocent are only coming from TR members. Interesting, I wonder if there is a bias.

It doesn't help their case that they continue to post 'anonymously' without presenting their true affiliation, it further raises the suspicion. Thanks for the heads up in this thread, Slathar.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This person is in TR, btw. The continual denial and attacks on Uthgaard coupled with the cries of innocent are only coming from TR members. Interesting, I wonder if there is a bias.

Also, learn the difference between their and there.

Then let me fix that. I'm not in TR, never have been, and never will be. I have a lot more friends in TMO than TR, and honestly, don't like most TR members I run across in-game. That being said, the reason for Project 1999's success is the level of professionalism brought to it by Nilbog. He is the one and only difference between P99 and EQClassic, or any of the other failed emulated attempts. The server was a success before Uthgaard, and it's still a success after him. He had a distorted image of his own station.

If you're an adult, you've interacted with people like this. People that are hard-working and well-intentioned, but ultimately undone by their ego and lack of respect. Ego is the important thing here. Uth clearly felt he didn't get enough credit from Nilbog and Rogean. He felt undermined. He felt that minimal contributors like Xzerion were afforded equal status, and that bothered him. So what's the biggest wave Uth could possibly make? How does he assert himself as the third leg of a Nilbog-Rogean tripod? By taking down another Dev who happens to be an officer/leader of the #1 raiding guild on the server. That's the big-dick move. It makes him top dog. But he ran into a couple problems. #1, his evidence was CLEARLY insufficient. He had a developer looking into some basic facts of a yet-to-be released raid zone. Not exactly damning. And he had some info from TR's site that suggested they had created an exact-replica of P99's VP. Except Nilbog has the database secured and KNOWS that not even Xzerion could access that information -- meaning the claim was essentially braggadocio. TR's info was garden variety fact collection. The fact that they nerded-up their own server for practice is embarrassing, but not illegal. Is it possible that Xzerion was abusing his position? Sure. It's been a source of speculation for years. But there still isn't any evidence, and given his level of access, it wouldn't be as easy for him to gain an unfair advantage as most seem to believe.

Uth did a lot of good for this server, but he was all wrong on this. It's reverse scientific method. He made his conclusion, then found facts to fit the narrative. He's made posts in the past asking for Xz to choose between GL and Dev status -- it was clearly something that bothered him. He presented the information in a highly inappropriate manner, was disrespectful to his superiors, and eventually leaked information that harmed the server in order to exact his own punishment on Xzerion, regardless of Nilbog and Rogean's opinions. It was poor form. I hope bridges can eventually be rebuilt, because there's no question Uthgaard was a net-positive for the server. He was all wrong on this, though, and he owes the entire staff -- Xzerion most of all -- a big apology.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He had a developer looking into some basic facts of a yet-to-be released raid zone.

The developer who happens to be guild leader of the guild that is presumed to be the ones in that raid zone first, who would stand to benefit most from their guild leader knowing how VP works on P99 (since damage formulas, AC, resists, etc, are all 'approximated' from Live and therefore the guides that already exist out on the Internet.) Perception is 90% of reality. Why not send a different developer to do that checking to avoid the potential drama?

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it possible that Xzerion was abusing his position? Sure. It's been a source of speculation for years. But there still isn't any evidence, and given his level of access, it wouldn't be as easy for him to gain an unfair advantage as most seem to believe.

I thought the entire point of Uthgaard's accusations was that Xzerion was on the version of the P99 Veeshan's Peak, after not having done any dev work in a year, running GM commands to glean information from that zone -- information that could be used to fine-tune TR's version of the VP server they are using "to practice" on?

Is there absolute proof that those were the intentions, or that the communication of that data back to whoever's managing the DB for the "practice" server ever took place? No, of course not. That is the "beauty" of it... the only people who can prove it are the ones allegedly doing it, if that was in fact what was taking place -- and they would know that. So all Uthgaard is left with is speculation, and then there's the perception of what's going on behind the scenes that the rest of us are considering 90% reality, because... come on... can anyone make this look more suspicious if they actually tried?

You got a dev who also has a play character. Fine.

That character also happens to be guild leader of a guild. Eh, okay.

That guild also happens to be the guild that gets most of the raid targets on the server. Come on now.

The dev was poking around in VP and there is news of a "guild practice VP server" going up for that guild. Seriously?!?!?

Whatever the true story is... someone has GOT to understand how this looks to the rest of the server.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(since damage formulas, AC, resists, etc, are all 'approximated' from Live and therefore the guides that already exist out on the Internet do not completely reflect what will be the case on P99, necessarily.)

FIFM

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought the entire point of Uthgaard's accusations was that Xzerion was on the version of the P99 Veeshan's Peak, after not having done any dev work in a year, running GM commands to glean information from that zone -- information that could be used to fine-tune TR's version of the VP server they are using "to practice" on?

That's not accurate. Xz does Dev work -- he's just an infrequent contributor. The contention is that he's only doing Dev work on raid zones, which even if true, is not any type of infraction. He's been a major contributor to the development of this server over the years. If at this point he chooses to only help develop zones that interest him, I'd say he's earned that right.

More importantly, the list of commands he used were pretty innocuous. You cite things like damage formulas, AC, resists -- but they know what he looked at, and it wasn't that. He checked pretty simple things. Everything he learned via Dev-commands was already posted in Nilbog's VP post. You say perception is everything, but the perception of this situation is highly skewed because the person releasing all the information is inextricably biased.

We have all read the log. Both Nilbog and Rogean don't think Xzerion was guilty of anything significant. So either Nilbog, Rogean, and Xzerion are all so biased that they're intentionally handing the server to TR and even covering it up when found out, or Uthgaard is way out of line. I just don't believe you get a server like this with people that irresponsible in charge. Everything leads me to believe that Nilbog, for one, values server integrity over all else. And anyway, if the two heads of the server wanted TR getting every raid mob, there are a lot better ways for them to do that than letting Xzerion have minimal developer powers to check HP counts and aggro radius on raid mobs.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't believe you get a server like this with people that irresponsible in charge. Everything leads me to believe that Nilbog, for one, values server integrity over all else.

I agree... because they could have just as easily had Xzerion stage a "stepping down" from his dev role "for the health of the server", and then re-invited him back under a different dev persona and no one would have been the wiser. But they didn't -- they put restrictions on his access in place, how actively he could participate in leading raids, etc, which does speak volumes for doing the right thing and "playing the hand one is dealt" instead of taking the easy route and trying to do something underhanded.

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

You got a dev who also has a play character. Fine.

That character also happens to be guild leader of a guild. Eh, okay.

That guild also happens to be the guild that gets most of the raid targets on the server. Come on now.

The dev was poking around in VP and there is news of a "guild practice VP server" going up for that guild. Seriously?!?!

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

I don't think they underestimated it so much as they can't do anything about it. I think they would hate to lose Xz's contributions as a Dev, and they don't want to be dishonest about anything because they feel the truth is that there actually is no unfair advantage for Xz and thus they have nothing to hide. How do you solve those problems without losing Xz as a Dev? You'd either have to have Xz lie about his play-character or switch Dev names -- neither of which actually changes anything. It would be dishonest.

And FWIW, I don't think the fact that he's an officer matters. That cat is already out of the bag. If he gets demoted to member, nobody will think any differently about him or his role, fair or not.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

You got a dev who also has a play character. Fine.

That character also happens to be guild leader of a guild. Eh, okay.

That guild also happens to be the guild that gets most of the raid targets on the server. Come on now.

The dev was poking around in VP and there is news of a "guild practice VP server" going up for that guild. Seriously?!?!

u are long enuf on the server to know different. srsly, why are YOU jumping on the bandwaggon...