Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

Shitbag guild?

How many officers of TMO were banned? I'll give you a hint: No fingers or toes will be needed to count them. The answer is zero. The non-officer players who were caught have been removed from the guild.

Now go ask other guilds what impact it had on their roster? More importantly ~ ask the guild who you so endlessly suck up to and defend ~ which officers from their guild were originally on the ban list created last weekend. Then ask that guild what they decided to do with those people that were flagged with hacks? Who did they remove from their guild for being caught at cheating?

You brag about having some connections, use them to answer this question truthfully: Who has had their bans lifted already? What guilds did they play with? What was their position in that guild?

And then I dare you to call DA/TMO a shitbag guild again with a straight face.

[Kinsawt]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.

Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

[Tyen01]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

If winterfresh's IP wasn't from texas, it was durison.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Tyen01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If winterfresh's IP wasn't from texas, it was durison.

they both live in texas

[Tyen01]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they both live in texas

Durison and Fef live in michigan

[Slathar]

regardless

WIPE IT CLEAN LONG LIVE MAGISTRATE UTHGAARD

[G13]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

You seem to be forgetting the precedent that has been set for these rules and punishments. Training or 2 boxing is not hacking. The punishment for those offenses has always been suspensions or account bans. That's an important distinction that you disingenuously ignored.

TR/IB officers in the past have trained DA raids. They were suspended. Not banned.

This server has a history. When a member of DA was caught using ShowEQ, his account was permanently banned and his GUILD was suspended from raiding. There was talk then of disbanding DA by development, and they were given a final warning, ONLY because it was a member, not an officer who was caught in the act. Members of the guild were outraged, and several people left the guild in disgust. I don't blame them either. Cheating should be discouraged, regardless. It's a cancer on the integrity of the server as a whole.

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild. If someone is banned for 2 boxing, the precedent is both accounts are banned. If you're caught using showEQ, you're banned and if it involves raiding, the guild suffers as well. Perun even admitted he was actively using ShowEQ during a competitive raid between TMO and TR. This is beyond refute.

It's a dangerous precedent to show a double standard. Your telling the players that's it's perfectly fine to break the rules and cheat. By allowing those members to reapp, you're sending the message that TR doesn't give a sh*t if you cheat. You've admitted publicly they can re-app, and I can guarantee that since Perun was an officer and tight with Xzerion, that he will be accepted back in the guild publicly with consternation, but privately with open arms, with promises of AOE groups plvling him to get his ass back up to 60 ASAP.

[Tyen01]

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild.

I had my doubts. I believe durison boxed winterfresh when fef wasn't online.

Easily.

[Baxter]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Lol thats so funny, you're allowing them to "re-app". Cheaters of the server if you need a home TR would like to have you.