Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!

The stealth inclusion of these files? Rofl. You download the fucking patch files and place them in your directory at your own risk. It's not like they ninja-installed them on you. Why do you do so? I'd assume because you:

A) Want to play here
B) Trust the integrity of the server
C) Trust the motives of those running it

It was pretty common fucking knowledge that they were working on anti-hack detection methods. Want to know what would have happened if they released those files and put a big disclaimer slapped across them saying "HEY GUISE WE CAN SEE WHAT PROGRAMS YOU ARE HOOKING INTO EQGAME.EXE WHEN U RUN THIS" ?? People would have stopped hacking. But not permanently. They would have stopped hacking long enough to find a work-around, then continued to hack again undetected anyways.

Nilbog, Rogean and Co. made a judgement call and I applaud them for it. You trust them enough that you play on their server. You trust them enough to know the IP you are connecting from. You trust them enough to send and receive data packets from the game application and their website. So why would you not trust their motives when it comes to a .dll file meant to out the people hacking that they'd not be able to with standard server-side detection methods?

You're pretty fucking naive or blatantly ignorant to believe they would have done anything else with that .dll, to face SEVERE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS over a service they provide you ungrateful shits FOR FREE. I find it outrageously convenient that THREE HUNDRED some people / accounts got busted then all of a sudden there is this vocal "uproar". Haters gonna hate I suppose. You get outted or what bro? Suspended / deleveled and this personal crusade is your way to cover for it? Seems logical I suppose.

Let me ask you something, since you're so upset over your privacy. Have you ever played WoW? Any other modern MMOs or online games? Most modern online game clients incorporate anti-hacking methods similar if not identical to what that .dll does that EverQuest simply does not use. Yet millions of people play them anyways without even knowing or giving second thought to it. If there was a nice big EULA specifically telling you that they were looking at the files affecting the game client, would that somehow make you feel better about it? Are you that mentally inept that you need a textual security blanket to wrap yourself up in? They aren't scanning your precious secret data. They are calling the file locations of things that are hooking INTO eqgame.exe - so unless you are hooking things that shouldn't be there in the first place, what's the big fucking deal?

Now, with that said - I do agree it's pretty fucking two-faced to have banned anyone in the past for using these things, then to find out 30% + of your active population was using it, so you slap them on the wrist and carry on business as usual

[Taryth]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blah blah blah

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move, and doubly so for not using the data that was collected for any meaningful punishment. If you're fine with having someone violate your trust, regardless of the severity of the risks, that's fine. I don't like people acting on my behalf, or on my property, without my permission and understanding.


And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

[Taryth]

also, go fuck yourself, I wasn't suspended, but that's very original of you to suggest such just because I disagree. Really intelligent.


I actually logged in today and yesterday to hand my gear out to people. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slathar]

i dont have any desire to play anymore since the server is being abused by a certain person so they may live out their best guild fantasy 12 years late.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move.

Less crying, more quitting then.

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!



It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?



Less crying, more quitting then.



I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.

Pay no attention to this complete noob..He only good for one thing OO#########jjjj###D