Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[SUSUGAM]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

[G13]

Originally Posted by SUSUGAM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

You are incorrect in your assumptions. It's not my character that has intrinsic value. It's my time that has value. You're making an emotional assumption not based in logic. Regardless of what I do with my time, my time has value. One of the most fundamental principle of economics is about tradeoffs. You give something to get something.

Raiding on this server takes a lot of our time that could be productive elsewhere. We choose to spend it here, because we believe it's a worthwhile investment. For whatever reason. That's not what matters. What matters is we as a community choose to spend our time here, rather than somewhere else. That's called a tradeoff.

Uthgaard decided his time was valuable and better spent elsewhere. Players who have never cheated and played by the rules, might decide their time is better spent elsewhere. That if this is just going to a corrupt box, it's not worth the time investment.

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

You really need to take a step back and stop acting like a child. If you consider them "just pixels" that is your projection of your own insecurity. There are a lot of people who have been playing here for years, and dedicated a lot of their time to work as a team and form friendships within their respective guilds. The most important thing for the developers to do it is create a fair environment for all guilds to compete equally. To create an environment that encourages community. Otherwise what's the point? Why be here? Why have a server if it's just going to be a sandbox for a bunch of corrupt assholes who cheat to win? Might as well just rename it VZTZ and call it day.

By not banning these accounts the developers have made a statement. We don't value our server enough to take appropriate action. We don't value the community. You don't see Rogean taking any polls to see how the community he created cares do you. Why? Because he could give a shit. He's too busy putting the interest of his RL friends ahead of all of us and you know what? That's a bunch of fucking bullshit. Rogean and Nilbog made the server, that's true, but without any of us here to play on it, it's just an empty box.

If they want to make it a haven for cheaters and show favortism by not taking appropriate action against accounts that are freaking hacking than it might as BE a dead box.

[deathgirl]

Originally Posted by SUSUGAM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

sez big mister im quitting the game cause my wife lost the mith 2h in an internet d/c [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]