Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having already quit months ago, I'll say I'm definitely not ever playing P99 again because of the .dll file bullshit. There will always be cheaters, some of them getting away with more than others.

because of security concerns?

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because of security concerns?

Yea, exactly because of security concerns. They had no right to have people download something like that without telling everyone EXACTLY what it is capable of.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, exactly because of security concerns. They had no right to have people download something like that without telling everyone EXACTLY what it is capable of.

Fuck dude, get over it. If they had clued the general server population in on what the .dll was, then I guess they probably wouldn't have caught NEARLY as many of them hacking after implementing it, thus defeating the purpose.

You hidin' kiddie pr0n on your PC or something and don't wanna get caught? You sound pretty fucking adamant about degrading their anti-hack efforts considering you "quit months ago". If you're dumb enough to believe that they would patch the .dll to do anything outside of returning the file paths of eqgame.exe hooks, then you can keep the tinfoil hat on while I continue to laugh at you. As it is, they've done no damage nor caused any personal loss against anyone using the files, why would they cross a legal threshold later on and subject themselves to serious legal ramifications? Just to run a clean server? Laugh.

I don't know you in game but it's really odd to me that you don't play on the server yet you are so upset over something that has pushed this server in the right direction. Sort of like Ullaelalelaen crying about humanity in one forum section and saying he didn't get banned, that he quit and uninstalled, yet in another post the same day he's asking for help logging into the game in the Technical Discussion section. Just seems odd to me. What are you playing at here by bad mouthing the legality of the .dll if you don't even play here any more?

[xshayla701]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck dude, get over it. If they had clued the general server population in on what the .dll was, then I guess they probably wouldn't have caught NEARLY as many of them hacking after implementing it, thus defeating the purpose.

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

[Taryth]

Originally Posted by xshayla701 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

Nope, you're an idiot for not trusting a stranger over the Internet.

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!


I quit; gave my gear to random newbs. If the server management is stupid enough to make this kind of move, and then NOT DELIVER after taking all that risk and violating so many peoples' trust, then I'd rather not play here. Especially after seeing the only dev with balls storm off because there wasn't a fair punishment.

[Tiggle]

they hacked into our systems illegally so they could suspend some people on a video game temporarily wuts wrong with that bro

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Tiggle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they hacked into our systems illegally so they could suspend some people on a video game temporarily wuts wrong with that bro

they used a method which can be used for more than they were using it for. there are safer ways, and i think that's why things are being changed.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, you're an idiot for not trusting a stranger over the Internet.

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!


I quit; gave my gear to random newbs. If the server management is stupid enough to make this kind of move, and then NOT DELIVER after taking all that risk and violating so many peoples' trust, then I'd rather not play here. Especially after seeing the only dev with balls storm off because there wasn't a fair punishment.

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

^^ Could not have been said any better.

The server's integrity has always been questionable, at best. A loud and clear statement has been made about how things really work around here and it doesn't bode well for those not in the golden circle. There really isn't any room for doubt now. But I also subscribe to theory that its better to fight the devil you do know than the one you don't!


I'm sorry you were cornered into making the decision to leave, Uthgaard. You will most certainly be missed. <3

[SUSUGAM]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND