Interesting read.

[Sake]

Isn't a matter of ITS OK LETS GO! its more a matter of expressing what it does.

Sure that doesn't change if they say LOL ITS OK DONT WORRY that it still might not be safe. However when you hide things and try and sneak things in and aren't up front about it (granted the reason is partially understood but that cat is out of the bag now so should be irrelavent with the hacking) it poses the concern.

[Arrisard]

Originally Posted by Sake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't a matter of ITS OK LETS GO! its more a matter of expressing what it does.

Sure that doesn't change if they say LOL ITS OK DONT WORRY that it still might not be safe. However when you hide things and try and sneak things in and aren't up front about it (granted the reason is partially understood but that cat is out of the bag now so should be irrelavent with the hacking) it poses the concern.

Like I said, I actually agree. But ultimately it doesn't change anything - I just encourage anyone to be concerned with this in the first place to take some basic precautions even if they aren't playing on P99.

[Ihealyou]

Any program can open pretty much any file on your computer. Its something you learn in intro programming, not leet hacking school.

Now lets pretend that Rogean and Nilbog want to steal your personal info. They would have to go through hundreds of gigabytes of data, for each person, to find info which may or may not be there. Do that for the 20,000 accounts that play, and you have an unreasonable amount of data to sift through. Even if they could go through all that data, how are they supposed to separate personal information from random numbers and other garbage?

Now lets pretend that they found some way to get your personal information out of all that data. They're risking the end of the server, the destruction of their reputation, and probably legal action. They have a lot to lose if they try to steal your info. On the other hand, you have an anonymous pastebin chat log, of two anonymous people talking, in a manner which makes it sound staged. At the same time, there's over 300 pissed off nerds who got banned for hacking. They have nothing to lose by posting stuff like this.

So what seems more likely? Rogean and the crew are committing felonies to steal your infoz, or pissed off hackers are anonymously spreading false information to hurt the server?

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any program can open pretty much any file on your computer. Its something you learn in intro programming, not leet hacking school.

Now lets pretend that Rogean and Nilbog want to steal your personal info. They would have to go through hundreds of gigabytes of data, for each person, to find info which may or may not be there. Do that for the 20,000 accounts that play, and you have an unreasonable amount of data to sift through. Even if they could go through all that data, how are they supposed to separate personal information from random numbers and other garbage?

Now lets pretend that they found some way to get your personal information out of all that data. They're risking the end of the server, the destruction of their reputation, and probably legal action. They have a lot to lose if they try to steal your info. On the other hand, you have an anonymous pastebin chat log, of two anonymous people talking, in a manner which makes it sound staged. At the same time, there's over 300 pissed off nerds who got banned for hacking. They have nothing to lose by posting stuff like this.

So what seems more likely? Rogean and the crew are committing felonies to steal your infoz, or pissed off hackers are anonymously spreading false information to hurt the server?

Yea, it is very difficult for a program to reveal hidden passwords that are stored on your computer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asher

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, it is very difficult for a program to reveal hidden passwords that are stored on your computer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asher

I'm not an expert on viruses, but I was under the impression that people got passwords through phishing or keyloggers. If I log onto my online bank account, I don't think windows keeps a file with my username and password in it. If I'm wrong, please tell me though. Its possible I have no idea what I'm talking about =\

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not an expert on viruses, but I was under the impression that people got passwords through phishing or keyloggers. If I log onto my online bank account, I don't think windows keeps a file with my username and password in it. If I'm wrong, please tell me though.

If you configure your web browser to save any credentials for any site they can be easily retrieved.

ie: Don't ever save passwords.

Asher

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, it is very difficult for a program to reveal hidden passwords that are stored on your computer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asher

you guys are pretty stupid.

what code is on your machine that can "reveal hidden passwords?" because i don't see anything in that .dll, and it sure as hell doesn't exist in the eq files.

there are enough knowledgeable people on this server who are into programming and have looked at the file. if there was legitimate concern, it would been brought forth in a concise manner WITH EVIDENCE which so far not a single person has brought.

only tin foil hat wearing paranoia.
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the only reason trojans are showing up are because the ones who got caught, big toop i'm betting, reported the file as a trojan. Possible? yes. Plausible? YES

[Dirtnap]

There is enough concern from a lot of people, that i am surprised that the Dev's haven't said a single word on the subject. Just about everyone i talk to about it in game doesn't like that it could be used to steal their information.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is enough concern from a lot of people, that i am surprised that the Dev's haven't said a single word on the subject. Just about everyone i talk to about it in game doesn't like that it could be used to steal their information.

Rogean said at least twice i've read to add it as an exception and that it's a false positive.

There is also a lot of concern in our country about us being a giant soviet spy country....concern != reality.

[Nyrod]

not that its related but i did a scan a few nights after the suspensions because my keyboard was doing wierd shit while in game and avira detected trojans in patcher.exe and updater.exe in my EQ folder.

i swear i cant remember where i got these files from, im thinking the patcher.exe was at one time given out by voidd (to get spellfile/eqhost file setup) for vztz and may just be a false positive but have no clue where updater.exe came from

deleted both.


Begin scan in 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\EverQuest\Updater.exe'
C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\EverQuest\Updater.exe
[DETECTION] Is the TR/Downloader.Gen Trojan

Virus or unwanted program 'TR/Downloader.Gen [trojan]'
detected in file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\EverQuest\Patcher.exe.
Action performed:


anyone seen those files around? i searched the forums and didnt see anything similar such a duxa's patcher