Poll: Should the Management have been harsher with the 365 cheaters?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would end the witch hunts and speculation

Could also make it worse...

[Lazortag]

We can't really grasp how harsh the punishment is without seeing what it will be like in two weeks when everyone's unbanned. I bet a lot of them aren't coming back, and those that do will pretty quickly be outed when people realize they're X levels lower than they should be. The devs don't need to publicly shame anyone since the punishment pretty much already does that. Sure they can go /anon, but I'll know for example if Perun cheated when he suddenly cons blue to me (nothing against perun, just an example).

The only thing I'm concerned about is the punishment of resetting their plat to 0, only because it disproportionately punishes some people more than others for the same offense. If someone had 50k but spent it all before they got suspended then they'd get punished less than someone who had 50k but didn't spend it, which isn't fair.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone had 50k but spent it all before they got suspended then they'd get punished less than someone who had 50k but didn't spend it, which isn't fair.

What about removing all dropable items on the suspended acounts above x amount of plat (say...10k? (Just an example)).

If they want back in the community at that point and to get their reserves/items back up they have to earn it with hard work.

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about removing all dropable items on the suspended acounts above x amount of plat (say...10k? (Just an example)).

If they want back in the community at that point and to get their reserves/items back up they have to earn it with hard work.

The amount of work this would require would make it not worth the trouble.

Originally Posted by rere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Management, sack up and execute your rules. 365 people? I'm pretty sure Uthgaard has banned more people on his "powertrip" in just the last half year.

On a serious note:

The fact that you show this kind of leniency only makes it look like some of your RL buddies were amongst the cheaters. Population has been fine even with the suspensions => Go Through with it and do your job.

I love how you guys talk to the GM's like they are your employee's, telling them what to do and that they aren't doing it right. They are providing you with this great server, they took the time out of their lives to catch these hackers and punish them, and they are the ones who get to decide what happens. I seriously doubt they enjoyed this whole process and were excited about this decision. I'm sure they put a lot of thought into it and only they have all the facts.

So maybe show a bit of fucking gratitude and thank them for the countless hours they put up with your bullshit. No matter what every decision has consequences and some people aren't going to agree. Look at the bigger picture this has stopped most of the hacking and will probably stop most of the future hacking. This is their punishment and it's probably enough to make a lot of them quit. So what if you don't know who they are, ignorance is bliss. Don't live out the rest of your EQ life in anger just move on and enjoy the good people on this server.

As far as the server population.. These people probably had other accounts that they are on.

[Vohl]

A server run purely for fun may well run for years. A server run purely for duty only stays up until those running it find better things to do with their time. Try to consider this the next time you trash talk GMs for not doing their duty.

We're fortunate they're as diligent as they are. It is no little trick to come up with the cheat detector they did. The amount of coding time sunk into that could instead have brought VP or epics into play sooner. They clearly consider the issue important enough to address.

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A server run purely for fun may well run for years. A server run purely for duty only stays up until those running it find better things to do with their time. Try to consider this the next time you trash talk GMs for not doing their duty.

We're fortunate they're as diligent as they are. It is no little trick to come up with the cheat detector they did. The amount of coding time sunk into that could instead have brought VP or epics into play sooner. They clearly consider the issue important enough to address.

No one is trash talking anyone. This is where all of your arguments falter. The rules were stated in black and white and the devs had banned people in the past for this very same offense. All that is being asked is that they stand behind the rules they themselves wrote for us to follow. I play by them every day I logon. They had an opportunity to send a clear message about cheating but they faltered. I thought the devs stood behind their rules but I, we are mistaken.

[Spoodowg2000bc]

yeah level 40 friend banned for 2-boxing really hurting community

many level 60s do worse shit with raid mobs, big loot mobs and community would be hurt too much without them?

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is trash talking anyone.

"uth has proven more than once that he's a total pussy"

How else am I to read this?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So maybe show a bit of fucking gratitude and thank them for the countless hours they put up with your bullshit. No matter what every decision has consequences and some people aren't going to agree.

Quite a few of us have been here since day one, and in countless threads have demonstrated our gratitude and thanks for the server. A lot of us have donated in the past, giving money to help with server costs. So get off the box, bro. I understand what you're saying, but...

What about the countless time , hours and effort a lot of us put in from day one...tracking, scouting, playing by the rules...and we find out that what we always suspected was justified?

How many of us eventually went on hiatus pretty much frustrated with the whole thing, but we still love the game and the server enough to stick around, thinking it will get better before Velious?

Yeah, it's a 12 year-old emulated game, but that doesn't change the fact that all of us are here because we love it, including the ones that break out with the "QQ over an 12 year-old game" BS.

Yeah, there are a lot of people pretty smoked about it all. I'm happy the Devs got them, yeah...but I'm pretty pissed a slap on the wrist is all they get. That's what their anonymity buys them, because this too, will pass...not to mention the fact that some of them are more than smart enough to figure out how to get around it with code injectors. For every anti-cheat, there are cheaters good enough to bust it.

And they'll still be here.

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quite a few of us have been here since day one, and in countless threads have demonstrated our gratitude and thanks for the server. A lot of us have donated in the past, giving money to help with server costs. So get off the box, bro. I understand what you're saying, but...

What about the countless time , hours and effort a lot of us put in from day one...tracking, scouting, playing by the rules...and we find out that what we always suspected was justified?

How many of us eventually went on hiatus pretty much frustrated with the whole thing, but we still love the game and the server enough to stick around, thinking it will get better before Velious?

Yeah, it's a 12 year-old emulated game, but that doesn't change the fact that all of us are here because we love it, including the ones that break out with the "QQ over an 12 year-old game" BS.

Yeah, there are a lot of people pretty smoked about it all. I'm happy the Devs got them, yeah...but I'm pretty pissed a slap on the wrist is all they get. That's what their anonymity buys them, because this too, will pass...not to mention the fact that some of them are more than smart enough to figure out how to get around it with code injectors. For every anti-cheat, there are cheaters good enough to bust it.

And they'll still be here.

Your right, some of these guys will continue cheating but that's probably a very small % of them. IMO if you guys want more punishment then you as players have to take action. Everyone likes to say that losing plat and a couple levels isn't bad but those levels lost should be a red flag for any guild to know who their hacking players are. At this point punishment becomes the guilds responsibility, they can choose to let it slide or boot the players. If your guild decides to let it slide then make them see it differently or leave and convince others to leave.

Right now your all pretty much crying over spilt milk, I think most people would agree that the GM's aren't going to change their minds. Change the discussion from "waaa the gm's aren't doing enough" to "what can we be doing as guilds and players".