Stormfeather rules need to change

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is the devs have made it clear they are not going to use /list on non-legacy camps.

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

Also, some of the VP Key pieces are still /list

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, some of the VP Key pieces are still /list

You can read my post again. I didn't say the staff explicitly said this. They don't have a habit of doing that. I am simply pointing out their behavior over the past 6 years. Actions speak louder than words.

As far as I know, zero camps have been given the /list treatment on Blue. I explicitly said Blue in the post you are quoting. I said "non-legacy" camps because I didn't want to distract the conversation with camps that were /list on Green for very specific reasons. Zuranthium seems to have a lot of trouble reading posts, so I am trying to keep them short when replying to him.

It is fairly obvious the two camps mentioned were given the /list treatment because Green is newer. Not as many players have certain raid items like VP Keys and summon corpse. The staff has a clear track record of adjusting raid specific camps/rules/items. The Plane of Sky rotation, rooted dragons, clickie nerfs, etc., are all clear examples of this.

Stormfeather has no relationship to raiding. There is no reason to assume the Stormfeather camp will ever be given the /list treatment based on past behavior.

[Gloomlord]

"Not Classic" be damned. You can't let one person monopolise an insolated named spawn that can potentially have an extremely long window thanks to skips.

Maybe you could have justified it because in the early 00s in era, but not now.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Not Classic" be damned. You can't let one person monopolise an insolated named spawn that can potentially have an extremely long window thanks to skips.

Maybe you could have justified it because in the early 00s in era, but not now.

LOL, this shows how much confusion there is.

The classic rules do not allow anyone to monopolize content.

The custom p99 rules are what allow people to do this. The play nice policy is supposed to be "people are required to take turns killing spawns".

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stormfeather has no relationship to raiding.

Neither do Manastones? Wasn't rubicite also /list? Point being, there's no real way to make an argument that the staff wouldn't decide to do a /list system for a specific camp. They've shown a willingness to do /list for both legacy and non-legacy items when they've viewed the monopolization as unfair.

They're unlikely to do /list systems for items currently because they just don't seem to have the time or energy for the project as of today (not saying that as a slight towards them). But there's literally no way to say that they are unwilling to do it for a given item on a given server.

At any rate, this has gone way off topic from the original point of the thread. Not surprised given the people who are engaging in the comments.

[Crede]

imo just make an enc, level it to 60, buy vog & bentos faceguard, and then have friends log in to haste your melee alts as needed. this will be cheaper and youll end up with a farming class that can make this amount of pp irrelevant if grim has nothing better to do with his time then monopolize it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither do Manastones? Wasn't rubicite also /list? Point being, there's no real way to make an argument that the staff wouldn't decide to do a /list system for a specific camp. They've shown a willingness to do /list for both legacy and non-legacy items when they've viewed the monopolization as unfair.

They're unlikely to do /list systems for items currently because they just don't seem to have the time or energy for the project as of today (not saying that as a slight towards them). But there's literally no way to say that they are unwilling to do it for a given item on a given server.

At any rate, this has gone way off topic from the original point of the thread. Not surprised given the people who are engaging in the comments.

The /list system was originally designed for legacy items on the launch of Green. It is obvious that legacy items would be part of the /list system.

The non-legacy camps that were mentioned are raid specific camps, and the /list system is only applied to those camps on Green. This makes sense, because the best strategy for the top guild on a fresh server is to deny raid items like VP keys from other guilds for as long as possible. Blue doesn't have this problem due to it's age.

This is the pattern for /list camps so far:
1. Legacy items (Future Servers only, as all legacy items no longer drop)
2. Raid specific items that were strategically being withheld from other guilds (Green and Future Servers)

It looks like you just read the last line of my post and skipped the rest lol. I'll put this as the last line, so maybe you'll read my post this time.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The /list system was originally designed for legacy items on the launch of Green. It is obvious that legacy items would be part of the /list system.

The non-legacy camps that were mentioned are raid specific camps, and the /list system is only applied to those camps on Green. This makes sense, because the best strategy for the top guild on a fresh server is to deny raid items like VP keys from other guilds for as long as possible. Blue doesn't have this problem due to it's age.

This is the pattern for /list camps so far:
1. Legacy items (Future Servers only, as all legacy items no longer drop)
2. Raid specific items that were strategically being withheld from other guilds (Green and Future Servers)

It looks like you just read the last line of my post and skipped the rest lol. I'll put this as the last line, so maybe you'll read my post this time.

Show us a link where the staff said they would never consider implementing /list for any camp on Blue. Otherwise, please kindly stop derailing peoples' threads with circular arguments that take away from the topic of OP's post.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show us a link where the staff said they would never consider implementing /list for any camp on Blue. Otherwise, please kindly stop derailing peoples' threads with circular arguments that take away from the topic of OP's post.

I already said the staff didn't explicitly say this in the post you didn't read lol:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say the staff explicitly said this. They don't have a habit of doing that. I am simply pointing out their behavior over the past 6 years. Actions speak louder than words.

I am looking at the patterns of behavior, which I already described. Pattern recognition is not a circular argument silly:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the pattern for /list camps so far:
1. Legacy items (Future Servers only, as all legacy items no longer drop)
2. Raid specific items that were strategically being withheld from other guilds (Green and Future Servers)

You can hide behind the "anything is possible" excuse like Zuranthium if you want, but it doesn't help your position. It is possible aliens will land on Rogean's lawn tomorrow and give use the original Everquest source code from 1999 to the end of Velious.

I will live in reality, where there is zero evidence suggesting the staff will implement the /list system on camps that are not legacy items, or raid specific items.